I'm out. This stinky sandbox is loaded to the brim.
For the record, the OP is still wrong (NOT an opinion), and he's still full of crap.

Unsubscribed.

 

I say the OP's mom picks out his clothes, makes his bed and let's him get on hdforums after his homework is done. On the weekends he rides his bike.



I'm guessing the moderators (Pine Tree, Izzo Quazzo and Chickin On A Chain) are playing rock, scissor, paper to determine who will be the one to put an end to this insanity.

 

What is this thread up to now... 80 pages? lol

Dude. You are still wrong.

So, I haven't caught up with all of the posts since my last one to the most recent and I won't. But, I thought I would take a moment and just say that...

Counter-steering is used to maintain lean angle in most situations, not all, but most. It seems to me that you are confused by the word "steering" in the term "counter-steering". Counter-steering does not "steer", it creates lean and leaning steers the bike.

 

You are correct about this.. Of you look at the my statements on using oversteer I used "(oversteer?)"

I was hopping someone could come up with a better term..

 

Is this the part of bwoltz's post that impresses you "All counter-steer does is upset the balance of the motorcycle/rider so it falls over. As the motorcycles falls, you turn into corner to balance the centrifugal force of the turn with the horizontal force caused by the offset of the CG from the tire contact patches.. This is all simple physics and balancing of horizontal force vectors to keep the bike from falling over or high siding."?

"As the motorcycles falls, you turn into corner to balance the centrifugal force of the turn with the horizontal force caused by the offset of the CG from the tire contact patches." explains the process perfectly for a low speed turn. At a higher speed centrifugal force will cause a highside. If may be different at 'knee dragging' speeds, where the lean is greater, I don't know. Try going for a ride, and look down at the top of your triple clamp during a high speed turn, instead of reading books and posts. I dare you.

If you actually do this you will discover that the front wheel is turned away from the direction of the turn. This is needed to cause the scooter to fall into the turn and counteract the centrifugal force attempting to push the scooter away from the center of the turn. By "turned away" I mean a few degrees from straight, not counter steering like in speedway racing.

 

I like shrimp

 

 

I'll just leave this here.

 

You know I don't claim to be a genius or anything, so correct me if I'm wrong, isn't winter still two months away?

 

Unfortunately, I read this entire thread...now my head hurts!