LOL, that's what I was thinking. This is making my head hurt!

 

Dude, go watch some guys who ride fast and watch what they do with their heads, what they do with their bodies, and watch how the suspension works on a bike....you ABSOLUTELY go where you LOOK when you are riding a bike....any instructor worth a **** will absolutely tell you to look where you want to go, NOT where you are actually going when you are going through a turn....go watch the videos of the Police Officers going through the cones, you will see them turning their heads every where and looking through the turns they are making... The number one reason guys crash in the turns in the mountains is they panic in a turn and start staring at the end of the road and ride straight off of it whereas if they would have looked through the turn and accelerated they would EASILY make that given turn....but dont take my word for it, go ride and try it. try looking straight ahead and go into a turn as see how that works out for you....

When you are on a motorcycle your WHOLE BODY is controlling the bike and its lean angle...not just your hands on a steering wheel or hands on a set of grips...and where you are putting your focus of vision is a HUGE input into the performance of the bike....if you dont realize this then maybe you should get off this forum and start riding a bit more until you do realize it...

unless you are just trolling my posts....

And to your other question, your tire is perpendicular to your forks...in a high speed turn its inline with the back tire and your lean angle is actually making the turn, (along with your front suspension and the driving force of the rear tire) Counter steering is a constant amount of pressure on the bars that is setting your lean angle against the force of inertia and centrifical force that is wanting to stand the bike upright and make it go straight....the more pressure you apply, the more lean angle you can achieve and the tighter the turn OR the faster you can go through same said turn...(ie the faster your bike is going, the more pressure you need to apply to achieve the same lean angle) (ie it takes far more pressure and lean angle to go through a turn at 90 mph than it does 30 mph because there is far more force trying to force the bike upright and to go straight)

 

So true, the time given on this topic for new rider training leaves it low priority. It's struggle enough just learning the controls. My wife just went through it. I started riding moto-cross back in the late 60s and learned it the hard way. Didn't have a clue what it was called, but it worked!

I am sure you'll figure it out.
Good luck

 

You want to "Learn" how counter-steering works then go read this book....granted its written by a guy who rides sportbikes, but all laws of physics apply to all motorcycles...and its the best book ever written about how to control a motorcycle on the street or on a track

https://www.amazon.com/Sport-Riding-.../dp/1893618072

 

Twist of the Wrist by Keith Code is a good read too.

 

As an engineer, I had similar questions when I started.

I found that a video is worth more than any words could do...

 

Thank you very much for those videos, they are both GREAT! That is exactly the kind of explanation that I needed. I understand it now. I always knew that I needed to understand this better in order to avoid obstacles at high speed. To be truthful, I was never truly confident that I could avoid an obstacle at high speed. I think now I will be able to master it.

I am saving links to both of those videos on my computer. I think that the forum should make a sticky for your post.

 

Personally I have Roscoe climb off and kick the front tire around the corner

 

Do you have him kick on the side of the direction you're turning, or the opposite side?

 

So true. I did not start riding 49 years ago probably closer to 40 but if folks made riding sound as difficult back then as some do now I may never have even tried LOL.