Counter-steering
#771
LOL
#772
Just curious, why would you want your upper body upright? The more upright you keep your body, the more you need to lean the bike in a corner.
#774
Have you considered the idea that perhaps he's not playing?
#775
I'm seriously considering it. I'm actually leaning (with countersteer--) pretty hard in that direction....
#776
#777
I asked how you do the action of steering torque. You answered:
We all know this is the same action. The instance you initiate the counter-steer, this is the same action.
Previously stated by MikerR1, "The diagram executes a momentary counter-steer to the left to initiate the lean and then use the throttle to control the lean during the turn.
So:
We all know this is the same action. The instance you initiate the counter-steer, this is the same action.
Previously stated by MikerR1, "The diagram executes a momentary counter-steer to the left to initiate the lean and then use the throttle to control the lean during the turn.
So:
- How long is momentary?
- do you let off pressure between the time you initiate the counter-steer and apply forward pressure for maintaining steering torque? If not, when does it no longer become counter-steering? If so, you're implying that you push one side forward to initiate a counter-steer maneuver, let off and then again applying pressure to that side to initiate steering torque.
Here is an experiment for you.
Lets pretend your bike is on a dyno going 50mph. And the front wheel is in a chock, and it cannot move.
You want to go left. So you push the left bar forward, AS HARD AS YOU CAN, did you counter-steer?
Last edited by MikerR1; 10-21-2016 at 04:44 PM.
#778
I'm still getting used to the lean angles vs speed and curve angle. I've only really been riding for about three years and I am getting more comfortable getting around the corners with the speed but if my head doesn't stay above my center of gravity it throws me off so if I'm going to hit a corner and work on it I usually scoot my butt over to the cornering side. My entire body is over the side of the bike instead of just leaning my shoulders and leg. Similar to this, but definitely not as good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOk7PSkHJsw
#779
Gotcha. The point I would make, though, is the rider in the video isn't keeping his body upright out of choice; the height of his bars is preventing him from getting his upper body down into the proper lean angle with the bike. If he could lean his whole body more, he wouldn't need to lean the bike as much, and wouldn't be scraping the pavement nearly so much.
#780
Counter-steering is not the pushing of the handlebar forward.
Here is an experiment for you.
Lets pretend your bike is on a dyno going 50mph. And the front wheel is in a chock, and it cannot move.
You want to go left. So you push the left bar forward, AS HARD AS YOU CAN, did you counter-steer?
Here is an experiment for you.
Lets pretend your bike is on a dyno going 50mph. And the front wheel is in a chock, and it cannot move.
You want to go left. So you push the left bar forward, AS HARD AS YOU CAN, did you counter-steer?