Counter-steering
#351
10-18-2016 | 05:33 PM
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Do you do it with a harley?
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10-18-2016 | 05:35 PM
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Well, you probably have not mastered counter-steering so do not think that. We counter-steer to create the lean angle. There is a reason we have to talk about this stuff theoretically. I am not going to be entering a curve at 70 mph's anytime soon. And as the video tells us, the lean angle for 70mph entry is larger than for a 45mph entry. Do you know what is that lean angle? Do you think your going to get it right the first time you try it? No.
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10-18-2016 | 05:36 PM
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Of course. It doesn't matter what type of motorcycle it is. Some frames are easier that others, some harder, but they all work the same.
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10-18-2016 | 05:39 PM
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And how do you determine your initial angle of lean(how much you counter-steer), surely it is different for each speed you are going?
Do you brake before you enter a turn?
Given your speed, will the bike naturally fall (when you counter-steer) to the stable angle of lean for that speed, regardless of your speed?
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#356
10-18-2016 | 05:43 PM
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Yep.
And yep.
I'm seriously wondering if the OP even owns a bike. Or has ever operated one for that matter. Going from asking total newb questions about countersteering to suddenly becoming a seeming expert on the subject just seems a little fishy..... Or maybe it's troll I smell......
'Course I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been thought of here. Thinking out loud.....
And yep.
I'm seriously wondering if the OP even owns a bike. Or has ever operated one for that matter. Going from asking total newb questions about countersteering to suddenly becoming a seeming expert on the subject just seems a little fishy..... Or maybe it's troll I smell......
'Course I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been thought of here. Thinking out loud.....
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10-18-2016 | 05:50 PM
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Negotiating a turn is about balancing the forces that are at work. Leaning the bike over is one variable in an equation with many variables.
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10-18-2016 | 05:51 PM
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I'm seriously wondering if the OP even owns a bike. Or has ever operated one for that matter. Going from asking total newb questions about countersteering to suddenly becoming a seeming expert on the subject just seems a little fishy..... Or maybe it's troll I smell......
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10-18-2016 | 05:57 PM
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You can either confirm it or deny it. There really is no in between on this.
I am not trying to trick you. I am assuming you are being straight with me and you are some kind of racer or stunt driver or something I fully intend to pick your brain, if you allow it. But first I have to be convinced that you have really done the things you said you have done.
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10-18-2016 | 06:10 PM
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Do you brake before you enter a turn?
Given your speed, will the bike naturally fall (when you counter-steer) to the stable angle of lean for that speed, regardless of your speed?