Get out on your bike and ride. Try it, see that it works. Discussion has reached the point of the rediculous!
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I did get out and try it. I found that counter steering was a momentary event. Use it to change direction, but once you create the lean you do not continue to countersteer. You turn into the lean and shift your weight.
If it was not for that picture, which obviously shows that the driver IS NOT countersteering, I would say it was ridiculous.
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. If the driver was countersteering at this moment the front wheel would be turned slightly to our right, not in the direction of the lean.
Countersteering is used to tip the bike in the direction you want to go and create the initial lean from a vertical position.. Unless the curvature of the turn is changing, the countersteer is a "momentary" event. After that the driver shifts his weight, as the picture shows, and the wheel follows the turn.
Originally Posted by Mid-Night-Rider
A bike is a single track vehicle. In order for it to turn, the rear wheel needs to track inside of the front wheel. You do this by turning the other direction with constant input. Like when you steer a car, you hold the wheel turned until the turn is completed. Only on a bike, you're turning the other way. If you were to put training wheels on your bike, there would be no counter steering. . .
Originally Posted by Mid-Night-Rider
I know he is because it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to steer a bike at speed without counter steering.
Edit to add:
It is not momentary. If you stop 'steering', you will go straight. Like when you let of the steering wheel in your car. The force of the input to start turning is greater than what is needed to maintain the turn.
Last edited by Mid-Night-Rider; 10-17-2016 at 02:57 PM.
Reason: edit to add
The problem with everything you just said is...the picture does not confirm what you are trying to tell us. The picture obviously does not show countersteering. If the driver was countersteering at that moment, the front wheel would be turned to our right. It is not.
The problem with everything you just said is...the picture does not confirm what you are trying to tell us. The picture obviously does not show countersteering. If the driver was countersteering at that moment, the front wheel would be turned to our right. It is not.
Originally Posted by Mid-Night-Rider
I know he is because it's PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to steer a bike at speed without counter steering.
Ignore what you think you don't see in the photo. The angle of the tire is not enough to be noticeable.
Countersteering is used to tip the bike in the direction you want to go and create the initial lean from a vertical position.. Unless the curvature of the turn is changing, the countersteer is a "momentary" event. After that the driver shifts his weight, as the picture shows, and the wheel follows the turn.
Do you actually ride a motorcycle? If you do, then next time you are in a sweeping turn look down at your scooters triple clamp in the middle of the turn. It will be pointing, very slightly, away from the direction of turn. The reason for this is that centrifugal force is attempting to 'push' the scooter outward from the center of the turn and counter steering is used to counteract the centrifugal force.
I don't know why the scooter in that picture looks the way it does? Maybe he isn't going fast enough for a need to counter steer? Or maybe he is the process of crashing? If you really ride, and feel confident enough to look at your triple clamp in the middle of a turn.... If you are so sure of your understanding that you can post "Countersteering is used to tip the bike in the direction you want to go and create the initial lean from a vertical position....the countersteer is a "momentary" event"", why are you still here? If you are not a troll, accept what you have been told. And actually get out, ride, and put the suggestions to the test. If you are a troll....
Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. If the driver was countersteering at this moment the front wheel would be turned slightly to our right, not in the direction of the lean.
Countersteering is used to tip the bike in the direction you want to go and create the initial lean from a vertical position.. Unless the curvature of the turn is changing, the countersteer is a "momentary" event. After that the driver shifts his weight, as the picture shows, and the wheel follows the turn.
Originally Posted by MikerR1
The problem with everything you just said is...the picture does not confirm what you are trying to tell us. The picture obviously does not show countersteering. If the driver was countersteering at that moment, the front wheel would be turned to our right. It is not.
You can disagree all you want. The fact of the matter is, if the rider in the photo relaxed the pressure on the bars, the bike would stand upright. Countersteering is NOT a "momentary" event. It takes constant pressure on the bars to hold a bike in a turn, regardless of how the front tire appears to be oriented.
The problem with your assertion that the rider in the photo is not countersteering is that you have no way of knowing what pressure he is actually exerting on the bars just by looking at the photo. From my experience, I would bet big money he's putting a fair amount of countersteer input into the bars to hold the bike in the turn. And who knows, he might have actually been in the middle of a slight course correction (or maybe even setting up for the next turn) at the instant the photo was snapped, which might also explain why the front tire appears to be turned slightly to the inside. Lots of stuff not readily apparent in your photo.....
The problem is, the question is being asked over, and over and has been ANSWERED. You will not be racing at Lakeside, Laguna Seca, or the Isle of man, and if you are asking I know you won't be hanging off the seat, dragging a knee, sliding a turn, and the powering out full bore.
At this point I think this needs to be moved to games. Obviously the people giving legitimate feedback are being played.
I really hate to tell you guys this, but this driver is not counter-steering at this moment. The front wheel in this image is not pointing left, therefore, we know, that the driver is not countersteering at this moment in time.
Something else I noticed is the location of his right elbow. His right elbow is down at the level of his right handlebar. Based on what I learned yesterday, I see why he does this....it is so he can push forward on the right handlebar. If he did not lean like that he would not have been able to push forward.
10-17-2016 | 02:53 PM
