M8's - Are dealers only selling at MSRP?
#21
10-03-2016, 06:19 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
#22
10-03-2016, 06:39 PM
#23
10-03-2016, 07:21 PM
The dealer made me an offer for the difference between my 2013 trike for trade on a 2017 trike, and I countered with a $1800 lower difference.
They accepted the offer; so did I get the new 2017 for $1800 off MSRP or did they give me $1800 more for my trade? Either way I was happy!!!
They accepted the offer; so did I get the new 2017 for $1800 off MSRP or did they give me $1800 more for my trade? Either way I was happy!!!
Last note: The only way mother Harley can control prices is to control production volumes. Heard rumors about this also, but pure speculation will not pollute the forum with that.
#24
10-03-2016, 07:49 PM
Club Member
Was the rule at the dealers I hit when I went shopping labor day weekend and the 3 others I emailed, only thing varied was their bullshit " setup " fee that bounced between $500 to $1100. Sales managers all said MSRP was going the minimum price on the M8's for the foreseeable future.
#25
10-03-2016, 10:15 PM
Tourer
I was at a local dealership and this particular dealer is not know for discounting bikes and he had some 2016 Ultra's at $2500-2800 off MSRP and no set up or freight. I didn't see any prices on 2017's as I wasn't real interested.
And yes, Harley is cutting production as they haven't been selling enough bikes. They have been laying off also. I don't see this as cutting production in order to make the 2017's more scarce and thus increase prices.
And yes, Harley is cutting production as they haven't been selling enough bikes. They have been laying off also. I don't see this as cutting production in order to make the 2017's more scarce and thus increase prices.
#26
10-04-2016, 03:08 AM
Tourer
riknbeth, "mother Harley" as you describe a manufacturing entity has been plagued with all kinds of tomfoolery when it comes to production numbers. According to some Wall Street analysts that have closely observed Harley's production schedules and shipments, the "Mothership" has attempted to "ear job" their dealers with extra new bikes the last couple of years to look like they were selling more units. This in spite of the fact that with a lagging economic recovery, the market has had a difficult time absorbing the overproduction and so the selling prices of bikes have been affected negatively.
Harley and even the dealers cannot ultimately "control" the prices of their equipment. The health of the US and world economies, cost of production along with their competition is what ultimately affects the selling prices of their products. As some others have pointed out, the cutbacks are more likely due to less demand for the product, increased competition and a less than robust world economy.
As some astute fellow posters have pointed out, if one gets the "fever" to purchase anything, without doing some due diligence and comparative shopping, then they are going to get a pretty good screwing at the time of purchase, possible finance and subsequent resale of those goods. It is up to each of us to determine what kind of consumers we are willing to be and how smart we want to be with our hard-earned dollars. MSRP is simply the manufacturer's suggested retail price for their goods. I for one am not that interested in what "mother Harley" suggests I pay for their goods. I let the marketplace and my own finances help me decide what I am willing to pay for their goods, especially because motorcycles are in most cases in the USA, a luxury item.
#27
10-04-2016, 05:02 AM
riknbeth, "mother Harley" as you describe a manufacturing entity has been plagued with all kinds of tomfoolery when it comes to production numbers. According to some Wall Street analysts that have closely observed Harley's production schedules and shipments, the "Mothership" has attempted to "ear job" their dealers with extra new bikes the last couple of years to look like they were selling more units. This in spite of the fact that with a lagging economic recovery, the market has had a difficult time absorbing the overproduction and so the selling prices of bikes have been affected negatively.
Harley and even the dealers cannot ultimately "control" the prices of their equipment. The health of the US and world economies, cost of production along with their competition is what ultimately affects the selling prices of their products. As some others have pointed out, the cutbacks are more likely due to less demand for the product, increased competition and a less than robust world economy.
As some astute fellow posters have pointed out, if one gets the "fever" to purchase anything, without doing some due diligence and comparative shopping, then they are going to get a pretty good screwing at the time of purchase, possible finance and subsequent resale of those goods. It is up to each of us to determine what kind of consumers we are willing to be and how smart we want to be with our hard-earned dollars. MSRP is simply the manufacturer's suggested retail price for their goods. I for one am not that interested in what "mother Harley" suggests I pay for their goods. I let the marketplace and my own finances help me decide what I am willing to pay for their goods, especially because motorcycles are in most cases in the USA, a luxury item.
Harley and even the dealers cannot ultimately "control" the prices of their equipment. The health of the US and world economies, cost of production along with their competition is what ultimately affects the selling prices of their products. As some others have pointed out, the cutbacks are more likely due to less demand for the product, increased competition and a less than robust world economy.
As some astute fellow posters have pointed out, if one gets the "fever" to purchase anything, without doing some due diligence and comparative shopping, then they are going to get a pretty good screwing at the time of purchase, possible finance and subsequent resale of those goods. It is up to each of us to determine what kind of consumers we are willing to be and how smart we want to be with our hard-earned dollars. MSRP is simply the manufacturer's suggested retail price for their goods. I for one am not that interested in what "mother Harley" suggests I pay for their goods. I let the marketplace and my own finances help me decide what I am willing to pay for their goods, especially because motorcycles are in most cases in the USA, a luxury item.
#28
10-04-2016, 07:06 AM
Tourer
#30
10-04-2016, 07:43 AM
No offense to those that do, but there is no way in hell I would pay MSRP (much less more) for a new motorcycle. That premium that people are paying is for nothing more than being able to say you got one when the came out. Someone is going to get one 6 or 7 months from now and owe less on his before he ever makes a payment than the ones who bought theirs first who will have made 6 or 7 payments.
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