Is the used bike market completely dead?
#71
06-28-2015, 01:38 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
How does having supposed low miles on a bike do anything for it it spends its life parked? If it's not milege, it will be something else a prospective buyer will say why whatever your asking is too much. People just want everything for nothing these days. and will throw out bs reasons to try and get it.,,
And you still didn't address the tensioners? And why would you want a bike with over 75k? Why did you bother to ask for advice, if you don't listen to any of it?
#72
06-28-2015, 01:42 PM
Forum members have brought forward some ideas that might help facilitate a sale.
Ideas such as pricing ($9,500 seems in range), wording, addition of information, detailing of pictures and making the bike less personalized.
There is a reason why marketing folks get paid to bring results.
You have requested and received information from the targeted demographic.
It seems like it would cost you nothing to try the suggestions.
Look online at some professional spreads of used bikes at dealers.
A buyer does not want to waste time..
Time is of great value to most folks.
For example: picture of the speedometer showing miles, tire tread depth, tire date code, vin #, critical components, close-up of gas tank, the successful dealers show every detail possible.
Most folks do not want to be wasting an afternoon to see someone about a bike to gather more information.
The reality is that you are competing against a dealer.
The dealer has a formula.
The general population will spend an extra $2,000 at a dealer for the same exact bike because they feel better about it.
The dealer gives them some feeling of security and can offer some financing.
The bikes in dealers are set-up in most cases to increase the buyer pool.
Your goal is to make the bike look like a dealer bike in wording & pictures but at a tremendous value.
It is a nice bike but it is not showing well.
Ideas such as pricing ($9,500 seems in range), wording, addition of information, detailing of pictures and making the bike less personalized.
There is a reason why marketing folks get paid to bring results.
You have requested and received information from the targeted demographic.
It seems like it would cost you nothing to try the suggestions.
Look online at some professional spreads of used bikes at dealers.
A buyer does not want to waste time..
Time is of great value to most folks.
For example: picture of the speedometer showing miles, tire tread depth, tire date code, vin #, critical components, close-up of gas tank, the successful dealers show every detail possible.
Most folks do not want to be wasting an afternoon to see someone about a bike to gather more information.
The reality is that you are competing against a dealer.
The dealer has a formula.
The general population will spend an extra $2,000 at a dealer for the same exact bike because they feel better about it.
The dealer gives them some feeling of security and can offer some financing.
The bikes in dealers are set-up in most cases to increase the buyer pool.
Your goal is to make the bike look like a dealer bike in wording & pictures but at a tremendous value.
It is a nice bike but it is not showing well.
#73
06-28-2015, 01:43 PM
#74
06-28-2015, 01:43 PM
Club Member
What everyone perceives as overpricing is a side note of what really going on. Think " Market saturation " , this had been coming and anyone paying any attention the last 5 years would have seen it. Moco telegraphed it's belt tightening by all the dealer closings and consolidations and cutting off any mail order or 3rd party parts distribution except through them. Remember back a year or two ago when the big hubbub was going on with no overseas parts sales anymore ? No way in any business model any company could sustain the rate of growth the moco did with a limited buyer/product base. Only reason new bikes and dealer sold used ones are still moving is creative financing.
As has been mentioned a few times in this thread the economy isn't recovering down through all class levels, those below the upper middle class are still struggling and won't ever get back to where they were before the crash. Only people who can afford a new bike anymore are either in that upper class or over reaching on financing as the used market is showing.
Bubble is popping kiddies been coming a long time and a stagnant used owner resale market is just the beginning, used prices will start dropping but it's going to take another 6 months or longer for reality to set in just like the housing bubble when it went .
As has been mentioned a few times in this thread the economy isn't recovering down through all class levels, those below the upper middle class are still struggling and won't ever get back to where they were before the crash. Only people who can afford a new bike anymore are either in that upper class or over reaching on financing as the used market is showing.
Bubble is popping kiddies been coming a long time and a stagnant used owner resale market is just the beginning, used prices will start dropping but it's going to take another 6 months or longer for reality to set in just like the housing bubble when it went .
#75
06-28-2015, 01:44 PM
How does having supposed low miles on a bike do anything for it it spends its life parked? If it's not milege, it will be something else a prospective buyer will say why whatever your asking is too much. People just want everything for nothing these days. and will throw out bs reasons to try and get it.,,
You admit to being a different breed or is it the rest of the world?
Maybe it's the world but still you wanna deal with all these wrong ppl or wait
For the one who is right for you?
#76
06-28-2015, 01:47 PM
I don't feel the milage is too high heck it's a bike that gets ridden. if youve sold many items on cl you already know you will get alot of window shoppers who will waste your time looking at the most minute things and asking dumb questions. Then want to test drive it with no money in their pocket. Throw a leg over it and kick the bags or tour box, before throwing the low ball of all lowball offers at you because the bike is 10 years old and doesn't look like it just rolled off the showroom floor. My bike is is 10 years old and has normal wear and tear. If someone is really interested in the bike they will get off their *** and come see it. the pictures show enough detail if you have an idea about what your looking at. I put items on my bikes to suit me for how I plan to use it. The lowers while they didn't come on a Road King , But make a world of difference in winter over not having them. Try riding without them in 20 degree weather for 200 miles. Very few guys on here will complain about having a drivers back rest, and a radio is a must for long rides. Listening to just a motor drone on for miles will put me to sleep. If your the type that rides 30 miles to a bar for the day, my bike wouldn't be for you. But do you think adding some of those flashing multi colored lites under the fenders add a couple hundred dollars to the value? .,,
Dealers do take stuff off. They sell bikes. Lots of them. In every kind of market.
I really do hope you find that one-in-a millon buyer who thinks that your bike is set up perfect and is worth what you want. All I tried to do was offer you a broader perspective instead of that one. In a million.
Good luck.
Oh, and to your original question: No the market is not dead. You're killing it for yourself.
#77
06-28-2015, 01:48 PM
Forum members have brought forward some ideas that might help facilitate a sale.
Ideas such as pricing ($9,500 seems in range), wording, addition of information, detailing of pictures and making the bike less personalized.
There is a reason why marketing folks get paid to bring results.
You have requested and received information from the targeted demographic.
It seems like it would cost you nothing to try the suggestions.
Look online at some professional spreads of used bikes at dealers.
A buyer does not want to waste time..
Time is of great value to most folks.
For example: picture of the speedometer showing miles, tire tread depth, tire date code, vin #, critical components, close-up of gas tank, the successful dealers show every detail possible.
Most folks do not want to be wasting an afternoon to see someone about a bike to gather more information.
The reality is that you are competing against a dealer.
The dealer has a formula.
The general population will spend an extra $2,000 at a dealer for the same exact bike because they feel better about it.
The dealer gives them some feeling of security and can offer some financing.
The bikes in dealers are set-up in most cases to increase the buyer pool.
Your goal is to make the bike look like a dealer bike in wording & pictures but at a tremendous value.
It is a nice bike but it is not showing well.
Ideas such as pricing ($9,500 seems in range), wording, addition of information, detailing of pictures and making the bike less personalized.
There is a reason why marketing folks get paid to bring results.
You have requested and received information from the targeted demographic.
It seems like it would cost you nothing to try the suggestions.
Look online at some professional spreads of used bikes at dealers.
A buyer does not want to waste time..
Time is of great value to most folks.
For example: picture of the speedometer showing miles, tire tread depth, tire date code, vin #, critical components, close-up of gas tank, the successful dealers show every detail possible.
Most folks do not want to be wasting an afternoon to see someone about a bike to gather more information.
The reality is that you are competing against a dealer.
The dealer has a formula.
The general population will spend an extra $2,000 at a dealer for the same exact bike because they feel better about it.
The dealer gives them some feeling of security and can offer some financing.
The bikes in dealers are set-up in most cases to increase the buyer pool.
Your goal is to make the bike look like a dealer bike in wording & pictures but at a tremendous value.
It is a nice bike but it is not showing well.
#78
06-28-2015, 02:03 PM
Seasoned HDF Member
#79
06-28-2015, 02:18 PM
#80
06-28-2015, 02:31 PM
What everyone perceives as overpricing is a side note of what really going on. Think " Market saturation " , this had been coming and anyone paying any attention the last 5 years would have seen it. Moco telegraphed it's belt tightening by all the dealer closings and consolidations and cutting off any mail order or 3rd party parts distribution except through them. Remember back a year or two ago when the big hubbub was going on with no overseas parts sales anymore ? No way in any business model any company could sustain the rate of growth the moco did with a limited buyer/product base. Only reason new bikes and dealer sold used ones are still moving is creative financing.
As has been mentioned a few times in this thread the economy isn't recovering down through all class levels, those below the upper middle class are still struggling and won't ever get back to where they were before the crash. Only people who can afford a new bike anymore are either in that upper class or over reaching on financing as the used market is showing.
Bubble is popping kiddies been coming a long time and a stagnant used owner resale market is just the beginning, used prices will start dropping but it's going to take another 6 months or longer for reality to set in just like the housing bubble when it went .
As has been mentioned a few times in this thread the economy isn't recovering down through all class levels, those below the upper middle class are still struggling and won't ever get back to where they were before the crash. Only people who can afford a new bike anymore are either in that upper class or over reaching on financing as the used market is showing.
Bubble is popping kiddies been coming a long time and a stagnant used owner resale market is just the beginning, used prices will start dropping but it's going to take another 6 months or longer for reality to set in just like the housing bubble when it went .
And if you're right, what's gonna take the place of Harley ?