98 Road King with MMI, want to convert to other FI.
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The old Magnetti Marelli system was not a terrible system. All the weaknesses have been pointed out already.
Being an older simpler EFI system....you can still fix the system yourself without all the computer stuff. Hot and cold idle are annoying at times....but it’s just a quirk that is tolerated.
What will stop the EFI EVO bike....is the engine temperature sensor. Harley is the only one that has that sensor. I’ve looked and tried to cross reference with no luck whatsoever. When Harley decides to discontinue the sensor.....I’ll be switching to carburetor. Or if I decide to take long trips far away from home....I’ll switch to carburetor for simplicity.
I recommend keeping the system as long as it’s working well and parts are available.
Being an older simpler EFI system....you can still fix the system yourself without all the computer stuff. Hot and cold idle are annoying at times....but it’s just a quirk that is tolerated.
What will stop the EFI EVO bike....is the engine temperature sensor. Harley is the only one that has that sensor. I’ve looked and tried to cross reference with no luck whatsoever. When Harley decides to discontinue the sensor.....I’ll be switching to carburetor. Or if I decide to take long trips far away from home....I’ll switch to carburetor for simplicity.
I recommend keeping the system as long as it’s working well and parts are available.
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The old Magnetti Marelli system was not a terrible system. All the weaknesses have been pointed out already.
What will stop the EFI EVO bike....is the engine temperature sensor. Harley is the only one that has that sensor. I’ve looked and tried to cross reference with no luck whatsoever. When Harley decides to discontinue the sensor.....I’ll be switching to carburetor. Or if I decide to take long trips far away from home....I’ll switch to carburetor for simplicity.
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What will stop the EFI EVO bike....is the engine temperature sensor. Harley is the only one that has that sensor. I’ve looked and tried to cross reference with no luck whatsoever. When Harley decides to discontinue the sensor.....I’ll be switching to carburetor. Or if I decide to take long trips far away from home....I’ll switch to carburetor for simplicity.
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I've tried to locate that sensor too. I thought maybe Standard motor products made it but couldn't find anything in their catalog. I was told that the MMI may have come from an Italian bike manufacturer but still no luck. The sensor is still available but prices vary wildly. I keep a spare in the shop for when the old one shorts out. When I can't get a replacement is when I'll be doing something else.
Carl
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ok I have the opportunity to buy a 1 owner 2001 road king classic with 4500 miles on it, has not been riden in many years, had a battery tender hooked up to it so ignition switch illuminated speedo for mileage i did not try to start it as it isn't mine.....yet? any way this is a fuel injected bike, what are the pros and the cons on the bike? and what are the fixes/ expenses involved? can the older systems be converted to carb without alot of problems or? are parts available? any way I might be bale to get it for cheap, I think they stopped riding due to their age ( in their mid 80s now bought it new)not bike problems, any help i would appreciate atomdoug@gmail.com
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ok I have the opportunity to buy a 1 owner 2001 road king classic with 4500 miles on it, has not been riden in many years, had a battery tender hooked up to it so ignition switch illuminated speedo for mileage i did not try to start it as it isn't mine.....yet? any way this is a fuel injected bike, what are the pros and the cons on the bike? and what are the fixes/ expenses involved? can the older systems be converted to carb without alot of problems or? are parts available? any way I might be bale to get it for cheap, I think they stopped riding due to their age ( in their mid 80s now bought it new)not bike problems, any help i would appreciate atomdoug@gmail.com
You will probably get better answers if you ask in the touring forum.
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I have not pulled an old one apart, however, I have a THEORY that if you have a good one to measure, or maybe the FSM if the spec is in it, you can buy a thermistor from one of the big suppliers and use that. Cost probably under a buck, buy you'll have to buy like $20 worth of them at a time. That's what I would do. I'm using two thermistors like that now on the Sportster, one in the intake (IAT) and one epoxied to a ring terminal under the motor mount bolt (CHT).
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Originally Posted by Dr.Hess
I have not pulled an old one apart, however, I have a THEORY that if you have a good one to measure, or maybe the FSM if the spec is in it, you can buy a thermistor from one of the big suppliers and use that. Cost probably under a buck, buy you'll have to buy like $20 worth of them at a time. That's what I would do. I'm using two thermistors like that now on the Sportster, one in the intake (IAT) and one epoxied to a ring terminal under the motor mount bolt (CHT).
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The thermistor is just a little component, not unlike a resistor, capacitor or diode. Two leads coming out of a small blob. Epoxy it inside something, solder wires to the leads, mount it how the original was. Water/rain? Big deal. That's what shrinkwrap is for.
If that's a good one, then do this: Get an accurate multimeter and infrared pyrometer. Measure the temp and resistance. Change the temp (oven, freezer, etc.) and record the temp and resistance. Then we can fit the curve to an easily available thermistor and you can use that.
If that's a good one, then do this: Get an accurate multimeter and infrared pyrometer. Measure the temp and resistance. Change the temp (oven, freezer, etc.) and record the temp and resistance. Then we can fit the curve to an easily available thermistor and you can use that.