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Need help with a '97 Electra glide dying after 10 miles

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Old 08-22-2017 | 12:01 AM
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the ignition module and the timer peck up sensor are 2 different items,,,,which did you replace,,,,normally efi timing control is part of the ecm and it uses the sensor to claculate.
if your bike is efi it would not have a petcok or fuel valve. are you sure that it is efi?
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Old 08-22-2017 | 09:47 AM
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When you say you replaced the ignition module, do you mean the main computer (ECM), coil (where spark plug wires go), or cam position sensor (which a lot of people confuse for an ignition module) ?

Older EVO EFI bikes are a bit troublesome, they have Crank and Cam Position Sensors, which both can exhibit these issues when they get hot, as well as the ECM's have been dropping like flies, and would require ordering one from S&S, as Harley no longer makes a replacement.

Check for spark when it does this, that's at least a starting point.
 
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Old 08-23-2017 | 05:10 PM
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I replaced the cam position sensor a few hundred miles back.

Ok, so I let the bike idle for a half hour - didn't die out.

I took it for a ride, and it shut down, as usual. Pulled the plugs, spun the motor over, reinstalled the plugs and fired it up, rode home.

Now however, I'm getting a code for the engine temp sensor... is this a new issue or could this be the root cause?
 
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Old 08-23-2017 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Dan Albert
I replaced the cam position sensor a few hundred miles back.

Ok, so I let the bike idle for a half hour - didn't die out.

I took it for a ride, and it shut down, as usual. Pulled the plugs, spun the motor over, reinstalled the plugs and fired it up, rode home.

Now however, I'm getting a code for the engine temp sensor... is this a new issue or could this be the root cause?
With an efi motor, it could be the root cause.... Your motor could be running to lean causing it to run hot and shut down from the engine temp sensor... or the sensor itself is going bad....
 
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Old 08-23-2017 | 05:52 PM
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While engine temp sensors can give you problems, they rarely will cause a bike to completely die. Generally they create driveability issues, not outright dying. Without reading back, have you had this problem, and simply cycled the ignition off-on and it correct itself? Based on experience, it sounds like you are losing your ecm, or maybe water intrusion into the plug. Check your ECM plug (right side cover, slightly buried under some fuses and such), their orientation does make water intrusion, and therefore corrosion, a problem. Look for green, green is bad.
 
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Old 08-23-2017 | 06:03 PM
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(plugs are white and the pipes glow cherry red off the heads) ... Sure sounds like a serious lean condition ... Fuel starvation? Plugged screen? Pinched line? Just guessing out loud.
 
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Old 08-23-2017 | 07:37 PM
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Hi all, cycling the ignition does't result in a restart. The only way it will fire back up us to pull the plugs, spin the motor and reinstall the plugs.

I didn't see any pinched lines or anything obvious. I'll wait for the temp sensor to come in and install that, and try again.

The ECU plugs are clean, the bike never sees rain, or anything other than the garage the last couple years. I'm actually looking to get rid of it,but I want to make sure its running properly before getting rid of it.

Thank you all again for the help!
 
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Old 08-23-2017 | 10:38 PM
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Crank position sensors can fail with the same symptoms,,,,,,sitting at idle wont get itnhot enough to fail most likely,,,,,did you test to see if the spark was present when it quits?
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Old 08-23-2017 | 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by marcodarq
Crank position sensors can fail with the same symptoms,,,,,,sitting at idle wont get itnhot enough to fail most likely,,,,,did you test to see if the spark was present when it quits?
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I forgot to grab the spark tester before I went out. I'll blast it around 10 miles tomorrow and test it after it croaks. I'm getting pretty good at getting almost back to the driveway when it dies... unfortunately it's uphill
 
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Old 08-24-2017 | 10:27 AM
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good, you need to know what issue you are actually chasing so that you can properly resolve it,,,if its spark its spark so,,,,,,,if its something else.........
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