Suspension looseness and/or vibration
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Suspension looseness and/or vibration
Just returned today from a 4400 mile mid west ride on my Fatbob (it was my gift to myself after retirng from the AF 22 yrs). Over the past two weeks my attention has been directed to the fact that my Fatbob (now with 20k miles) is not nearly as smooth as it once was. So tomorrow I begin the task of trying to figure out what has happened. Below are the symptoms.
- When going over sharp edged bumps (broken pavement/washboards) I get a thumping noise that is felt in my pegs and butt. Sounds like something is terribly loose but inspections on the road (even with a friend loading up the bike with the brake reveal nothing wrong.
- Especially noticable when using the rear brake only coming to a stop on rough pavement. Nothing felt in the forks what so ever at anytime. Normal road surface bumps do not alter ride qual.
- General motor vibs seems to be increasing in the pegs as well (mid mount).
- It feels as though the motor is fixing to fall out....(maybe not that bad but close)
The only thing that looks amiss is that the front motor mount seems to allow a large amount of movement. I realize that its always been there but there seems to be more now.
At first I thought the rear fork needs to be retorqued but looking at the shop manual, the bearing doesn't appear to be a tapered design (sealed instead). Now I turn my attention to the engine mounts. When loading the bike up, I didn't see much movement at all from the rear (which is what I was expecting). Only the fronts isolator seems "looser" than I remember. I saw posts on shimming the front mount but don't believe that would help my particular issue (I may be wrong).
I have seen auto engine mounts torn apart before and noted how the two halfs of the mount are mechanically interlocked in case of isolator (rubber) failure for safety reasons. My first guess is that the front mount is loosing its effectiveness and allowing the two halves to impact during large bumps in the road sending the thud and vibs to the frame.
Am I going in the right direction? If so, are there heavier duty front mounts available (and recommended)? Is this a normal fail item for a built motor (99hp/112tq since 7k miles)?
I consider my riding style very sporty (prior sport bike owner) utilizing the additional power on corner exits but I do not do burnouts or jackrabbit starts. Any direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
- When going over sharp edged bumps (broken pavement/washboards) I get a thumping noise that is felt in my pegs and butt. Sounds like something is terribly loose but inspections on the road (even with a friend loading up the bike with the brake reveal nothing wrong.
- Especially noticable when using the rear brake only coming to a stop on rough pavement. Nothing felt in the forks what so ever at anytime. Normal road surface bumps do not alter ride qual.
- General motor vibs seems to be increasing in the pegs as well (mid mount).
- It feels as though the motor is fixing to fall out....(maybe not that bad but close)
The only thing that looks amiss is that the front motor mount seems to allow a large amount of movement. I realize that its always been there but there seems to be more now.
At first I thought the rear fork needs to be retorqued but looking at the shop manual, the bearing doesn't appear to be a tapered design (sealed instead). Now I turn my attention to the engine mounts. When loading the bike up, I didn't see much movement at all from the rear (which is what I was expecting). Only the fronts isolator seems "looser" than I remember. I saw posts on shimming the front mount but don't believe that would help my particular issue (I may be wrong).
I have seen auto engine mounts torn apart before and noted how the two halfs of the mount are mechanically interlocked in case of isolator (rubber) failure for safety reasons. My first guess is that the front mount is loosing its effectiveness and allowing the two halves to impact during large bumps in the road sending the thud and vibs to the frame.
Am I going in the right direction? If so, are there heavier duty front mounts available (and recommended)? Is this a normal fail item for a built motor (99hp/112tq since 7k miles)?
I consider my riding style very sporty (prior sport bike owner) utilizing the additional power on corner exits but I do not do burnouts or jackrabbit starts. Any direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
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- General motor vibs seems to be increasing in the pegs as well (mid mount).
- It feels as though the motor is fixing to fall out....(maybe not that bad but close)
The only thing that looks amiss is that the front motor mount seems to allow a large amount of movement. I realize that its always been there but there seems to be more now.
- It feels as though the motor is fixing to fall out....(maybe not that bad but close)
The only thing that looks amiss is that the front motor mount seems to allow a large amount of movement. I realize that its always been there but there seems to be more now.
I just went through this here https://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-...with-pics.html
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Tonygret, Thanks for the link. Very interesting read. I went to HD and picked up a mount after a good look revealed that it has too collapsed. Once I got back home, I went ahead and shimmed the mount (didn't trim the top though) just to see if I felt any difference. Surprisingly, the difference was significantly better. All vibs and thuds are gone except for when hitting very large road ruts. Also, just shimming my mount was enough to separate the upper and lower sections from touching. Simply amazing how much the bike changed with installing 4 flat washers. Crazy stuff.
I still have the new mount in the box un opened. I expect that the shims will only work for a while and end up changing the mount down the road anyway. I may put in the new mount and shim at the same time tomorow.
Thanks to all for the inputs.
I still have the new mount in the box un opened. I expect that the shims will only work for a while and end up changing the mount down the road anyway. I may put in the new mount and shim at the same time tomorow.
Thanks to all for the inputs.