ness big sucker or screaming eagle??
#31
I'm just tired of seeing people offer the explanation " there's no difference between part X and part Y .. it's all cosmetic.." when in fact they really have no idea... they are just regurgitating information they read on the forum, or somewhere else. They don't offer reasoning for their opinion... it's just spilled out there. I at least tried to offer my reasoning with the results of my ongoing experimentation, to back up my opinion. Which so far has had positive results.
Last edited by archergodwin; 12-28-2010 at 08:47 AM. Reason: My initial response was a bit... blunt.
#34
I'm just tired of seeing people offer the explanation " there's no difference between part X and part Y .. it's all cosmetic.." when in fact they really have no idea... they are just regurgitating information they read on the forum, or somewhere else. They don't offer reasoning for their opinion... it's just spilled out there. I at least tried to offer my reasoning with the results of my ongoing experimentation, to back up my opinion. Which so far has had positive results.
#35
this is probably just getting out of hand at this point, but to clarify a point made earlier about velocity stacks and such. On the early mechanical hi-po fuel injections i.e Hillborn or Enderle. The velocity stacks were there not to aid in hp production. These systems had very sensitive fuel metering circuits and the swirl caused by a neighboring injector ingesting air would disrupt the airflow into other injectors. The stacks were added, sometimes at different heights and angles to keep this from happening and straighten the airflow entering the metered circuit.
This all becomes null and void on say our bikes, especially FI bikes since A. there is only one carb or tb and B. on fi bikes the air/fuel mixing happens after the tb in the runner near the back of the valve. Again no amount of tubing BEFORE the carb or tb is going to make any sort of noticeable performance gain, especially not one you are gonna see on a dyno. More true if the part you are testing it against is a hi flowing filter assy of any shape be it round, ocatgonal, dick shaped or whatever. It's not fair for us to say you don't "feel" a difference in your bike after the install, but for you to be so hung up on a placebo effect and reciting it as gospel fuels this argument to the point where we all are gonna be making e-threats and claiming our e-penises are bigger than each others. In the end we all lose. you love your ram-air cone filter assy, others love their top hat filters and still other brave sould love their ham-can filters. Different strokes for different folks, so long as the filter is clean, dry and big enough to support all of our wicked hp levels, rainbows will continue to happen and hopefully this big ol rock continues on it's steady path around that other bigger rock. Thank you for your time
This all becomes null and void on say our bikes, especially FI bikes since A. there is only one carb or tb and B. on fi bikes the air/fuel mixing happens after the tb in the runner near the back of the valve. Again no amount of tubing BEFORE the carb or tb is going to make any sort of noticeable performance gain, especially not one you are gonna see on a dyno. More true if the part you are testing it against is a hi flowing filter assy of any shape be it round, ocatgonal, dick shaped or whatever. It's not fair for us to say you don't "feel" a difference in your bike after the install, but for you to be so hung up on a placebo effect and reciting it as gospel fuels this argument to the point where we all are gonna be making e-threats and claiming our e-penises are bigger than each others. In the end we all lose. you love your ram-air cone filter assy, others love their top hat filters and still other brave sould love their ham-can filters. Different strokes for different folks, so long as the filter is clean, dry and big enough to support all of our wicked hp levels, rainbows will continue to happen and hopefully this big ol rock continues on it's steady path around that other bigger rock. Thank you for your time
#36
this is probably just getting out of hand at this point, but to clarify a point made earlier about velocity stacks and such. On the early mechanical hi-po fuel injections i.e Hillborn or Enderle. The velocity stacks were there not to aid in hp production. These systems had very sensitive fuel metering circuits and the swirl caused by a neighboring injector ingesting air would disrupt the airflow into other injectors. The stacks were added, sometimes at different heights and angles to keep this from happening and straighten the airflow entering the metered circuit.
This all becomes null and void on say our bikes, especially FI bikes since A. there is only one carb or tb and B. on fi bikes the air/fuel mixing happens after the tb in the runner near the back of the valve. Again no amount of tubing BEFORE the carb or tb is going to make any sort of noticeable performance gain, especially not one you are gonna see on a dyno. More true if the part you are testing it against is a hi flowing filter assy of any shape be it round, ocatgonal, dick shaped or whatever. It's not fair for us to say you don't "feel" a difference in your bike after the install, but for you to be so hung up on a placebo effect and reciting it as gospel fuels this argument to the point where we all are gonna be making e-threats and claiming our e-penises are bigger than each others. In the end we all lose. you love your ram-air cone filter assy, others love their top hat filters and still other brave sould love their ham-can filters. Different strokes for different folks, so long as the filter is clean, dry and big enough to support all of our wicked hp levels, rainbows will continue to happen and hopefully this big ol rock continues on it's steady path around that other bigger rock. Thank you for your time
This all becomes null and void on say our bikes, especially FI bikes since A. there is only one carb or tb and B. on fi bikes the air/fuel mixing happens after the tb in the runner near the back of the valve. Again no amount of tubing BEFORE the carb or tb is going to make any sort of noticeable performance gain, especially not one you are gonna see on a dyno. More true if the part you are testing it against is a hi flowing filter assy of any shape be it round, ocatgonal, dick shaped or whatever. It's not fair for us to say you don't "feel" a difference in your bike after the install, but for you to be so hung up on a placebo effect and reciting it as gospel fuels this argument to the point where we all are gonna be making e-threats and claiming our e-penises are bigger than each others. In the end we all lose. you love your ram-air cone filter assy, others love their top hat filters and still other brave sould love their ham-can filters. Different strokes for different folks, so long as the filter is clean, dry and big enough to support all of our wicked hp levels, rainbows will continue to happen and hopefully this big ol rock continues on it's steady path around that other bigger rock. Thank you for your time
#37
I test rode 2 new 2011 Streetglides at the dealership 2 months ago. Both had a VH Propipe, one with a Ness intake, one with a Heavy Breather. The Heavy Breather bike was a bit peppier. I mentioned it to them and they said "Yea the Heavy breather usually does a 1 or 2 HP more on the dyno.
Also, If you look at the S&S website their dual filter version of the Heavy Breather shows a bit more power then their standard filter setup as well.
I personnally like the Heavy Breather look. But I'm about to buy the Ness or Screamin Eagle Stage 1 because I may add lowers to my new Streetglide.
Also, If you look at the S&S website their dual filter version of the Heavy Breather shows a bit more power then their standard filter setup as well.
I personnally like the Heavy Breather look. But I'm about to buy the Ness or Screamin Eagle Stage 1 because I may add lowers to my new Streetglide.
#38
I test rode 2 new 2011 Streetglides at the dealership 2 months ago. Both had a VH Propipe, one with a Ness intake, one with a Heavy Breather. The Heavy Breather bike was a bit peppier. I mentioned it to them and they said "Yea the Heavy breather usually does a 1 or 2 HP more on the dyno.
Also, If you look at the S&S website their dual filter version of the Heavy Breather shows a bit more power then their standard filter setup as well.
I personnally like the Heavy Breather look. But I'm about to buy the Ness or Screamin Eagle Stage 1 because I may add lowers to my new Streetglide.
Also, If you look at the S&S website their dual filter version of the Heavy Breather shows a bit more power then their standard filter setup as well.
I personnally like the Heavy Breather look. But I'm about to buy the Ness or Screamin Eagle Stage 1 because I may add lowers to my new Streetglide.
#39