You're right. I think I'm getting in over my head on all this.

Pretty sure I'm gonna do what you've done and let 'er rip.

Can you direct me to the "Loan Department?"

 

I do not have o2 sensors on my 05, and I think you are correct about starting in 06.
Here's my .02 worth.
Like Baeseman1 noted, I too have tried the FuelPak and after a few months of it and now a few months of a PC III, I would not buy a FP, the price difference between the 2 is rather small and the PC gives more choice.
That being said, 2007fxdc has made some VERY good points about the whole subject, so let me just add... IF you are only doing slip-ons, you need not add anything else.
IF you are adding a high flow AC, then I would invest in a PC III or V, especially if you spend any time in traffic, which is when the extra heat is most likely to cause issues from running lean.
I ran for several months without anything more than the Stage 1 download, with the Ness Big Sucker and V&H pipes, I realized my bike tended to get hot quicker, and I would experience the cylinder shut down because of it in traffic much sooner than riding buddies. I have not experienced that since adding the PC III. We will see what this summer brings.

 

Yeh, after all of these posts, I agree, if you are only getting slipons, put them on and see what happens. I did that at first and bike ran fine. Most likely you'll be okay. But I wouldn't do full pipes without the a/c and wouldn't do the a/c without something. xIED's would be my bare minimum and, if buying for the first time today, with the information I have now, I'd order a PC-V from fuelmoto ready to plug in and ride. I think the fuelpak has too many unanswered questions and the SERT is overkill for most people. Nothing wrong with overkill, if you can afford it. But if you can't, why bother?

 

Cool. Went to Fuel Moto's site and checked out the instructions for installing the PCV.

First, I'm not sure I want to F-Up with downloading MAPs from -- Where ever. That stuff confuses me even more than I already am. Aggravating.

So then, I figure, well, I can download them before I install the PCV and hope for the best. So I'm checking out the instructions again and I run into number 8 -- http://www.powercommander.com/downlo.../eng15-005.pdf

It says to run the harness into the back of the battery box? Isn't there something already in there? Like - The Battery? Add to that the fact that the pic they're referencing is a pic of the ELECTRICAL BOX, not the Battery Box.

However I go, I'm sure I'll get it figured out. It just amazes me that Harley would decide to Fuel Inject it's engines about twenty years late, and then decide to use an incredibly antiquated speed-density system.

Then the after-market comes in, spends millions of dollars trying to figure out what Harley did and gets Donald freaking Duck to write their Install Directions!?!?!

I'll be right back. I'm gonna go kick something.

 

I have an 07 SB which does have O2 sensors. Swapped the stock pipes for SEII pre-05/EPA "off road only" pipes and maintained a stock a/c. Bike runs just like before with no change in mileage, heat, or anything else - just makes a bit more noise.

The stage 1 d/l will not change the AFR so by itself it won't do anything to address the more lean condition you'll get by putting a less restrictive a/c and pipes on.

As has been said, if all you want is noise do what I did and send me whatever part of the dealer fee you think appropriate. If you do both a/c and pipes select the fuel mgmt system you like the best (SEST, TTS, Fuelpak, PC V, etc) and have fun.

 

Good, let me add some more then...

All of this PC-V & downloading maps sounds intimidating to someone who doesn't have a pocket-protector to carry their pens in. But... My PC-V came from FuelMoto already mapped for my Year/Make/Model/Mods. All I had to do was plug it in and ride. But it comes with a cd for the laptop that I played around with if you're feeling up to it. It isn't required though - unless you need to make adjustments. If you do, FuelMoto will walk you through it.

Yeah, a wrong term can throw a guy who's taking in all of the info. It is the fuse panel where the harness goes.

Here's a quick little read for ya. Actually, you should read the entire thread but just this post will give a little insight to why a lot of people here go with FuelMoto. https://www.hdforums.com/forum/6160805-post28.html

 

Thanks for the tips. I think (now) that's the way I'm gonna go. Ya never know what the future holds. I say now, "I'm not gonna change my bike beyond this or that" and bigger than doo-doo, you turn yourself into a liar at some point in time.

Twenty years ago, I sold my last Harley (a 1984 Evo 84" FLHTC [it even had the enclosed, oil-bath chain!!]) and swore I'd never ride again. So I didn't bother getting the Motorcycle endorsement put on my license (for free, no hassle, just tell 'em to put it on there back then) after Florida changed the Law. Didn't used to need one to ride. Now you do.

So I ended up in an absurd MC class learning to 'ride' a motor-scooter. Honest to God, because now, it's an actual Misdemeanor to ride without an endorsement down here. They can cuff-ya and stuff-ya if they want to. So, $275 and a lot of aggravation later, I got my endorsement because I was just so darned sure of myself 20 years ago. What a pain.

I'll try not to make that mistake this time around.

On that thread you turned me on to? Someone sez, "Is GM that primitive?" (or something like that).

Well, they went belly-up for a reason. Yes, they WERE that primitive. Not so much the last few years but for twenty years they were just simply making junk. Total junk. The last five years or so they turned it around but -- Too late. They're reputation was shot. Push rod motors, speed density ECUs? No wonder they floundered.

I guess it could have been worse -- The MoCo could have used Edsel.

 

Your opinion matters, so I took a trip to the PCV installation PDF File and -- Oh what joy that was!

Thought I had it figured out. Looked fairly straight-forward, so I took a look at my Front O2 sensor wiring to determine where I had to disconnect it. Looks like the connector I need to unplug is hidden down behind where the rectifier used to be. I said "Used to be" because I had an oil cooler put on immediately after buying the bike.

Also, running the PCV wiring to it? Looks like you have to run it under the gas tank, down the front frame tubes, out the garage door and zip tie it with a half dozen zip ties. That's after you remove the oil cooler, the horn, rear tire, the rectifier, the seat and your sanity.

Yeah, I know. I need to get a Service Manual. I will. But I'm pretty sure that's where my front O2 sensor connects to a plastic receiver of some kind.

Oh well, my V&H 3" Twin Slash slip-ons are supposed to be here today. I guess I'll polish them up, stare at the beauty of my motorcycle for a few days, go buy a Service Manual and figure out what's next.

But I'm leaning toward, "If the fuelpak is good enough for 2007fxdc, it's good enough for me."

 

BUT...I did the SE download with stage 1 a/c and pipes and the bike still ran a bit hot, so I ended up getting the newer version of SERT and had it dyno tuned and it DID make a difference...lookin' back I shoulda' done the SERT to begin with and I woulda' saved $150.00 for the SE download.

 

You don't have to run any wiring for the PC-V. I just installed mine last week. It's pretty easy, good instructions come with it.