The PCV is actually primitive piggyback technology too, although dressed up and more sophisticated than the Fuel Pack. They just blindly dump fuel also.

You will find many happy customers here with any of the systems and many post here from those that have had problems, especially those that ride in the rain and did not count for it during install.

When deciding on going to piggyback versus retuning the ECU directly, you have to ask yourself: why cripple the ECU and settle for less than the best street tune just to save $100 on a $15000 bike? It just doesn't make sense to me.

 

for a stage 1, PCV is all you need. If you plan on doings cams, big bore etc.. I'd do the TTS. All depends on your future plans.

 

PCIII & Stage I on my scoot when the V&H's were installed.

 

the guy that dyno'd my bike could not believe how close to perfect the preloaded map was that Jamie at fuel-moto loaded on my PCV a couple of weeks ago. Said he had never seen one that was that close-real noticeable difference when i twist the throttle too!!!

 

Thank you all for your input I am going with the PCV from fuel moto talked to them today.

 

Gixxer, let me know how you like it man! I am going to be ordering one for my Street Bob as soon as I get my tax return!!

 

Have to disagree abit, PCV is alot more advanced than fuel pack. It doesn't just "blindly dump fuel in", it is fully tunable, blindly dumping fuel would imply that it just throws a certain amount of fuel all the time. Doesn't really matter to me, I run the SERT and wouldn't trade it for anything, maybe the SEST, but that would be it. I have tuned PCIII's, PCV's, SERT and SEST and a couple more. The actual tuners can all get the job done, I have installed the Fuel Pack on and made some A/F passes just to see, it is what it is is all I can say. Not impressed at all but it does what it claims. I personally wouldn't put one on anything I own, but that's a preference.

 

I am not sure what you are basing your opinions on, or the sources you are getting your information from. The Power Commander works excellent for providing a great tune and this has been well proven. It does far more than "dump fuel" as you state, in reality it can add 250% or remove 100% fuel at a very high resolution. The PC-V has 240 tuning ponts per cylinder for fuel, igntion timing and AFR. With PC-V you can build maps individually for all 6 gears and by doing so this would give you 2880 individual tuning points (5760 tuning points if you use the Auto Tune module) There are various tables to control other functions such as startup enrichment or enleanment, you also have the ability to use a map switch to change between multiple maps, add dual Wideband O2 sensors with the Auto Tune module for real time tuning to the AFR you specify, the PC-V also has a configurable input channel which is useful if you have a boosted motor and want to add a 2 bar map sensor and configure it. These are all features that are not available with other EFI tuning platforms. We use the PC-V on everything from stock Harley's to 300 Hp turbo Suzuki GSXR's. As far as primitive technology, the Harley ECM is actually old technology itself compared to the control systems on the latest japanese bikes we work with.

 

FuelMoto, as if I was not convinced enough before, it is 100% confirmed now!! PC V here I come!!! WOOHOOOOO

 

Hey fuel moto im deciding between sampson duals( the new black ceramic
4 inch dia) or the v & h true duAls, you have set up for both?
Any suggestions which one is better?