Shockproof - BULL
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04-28-2008, 06:07 AM
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#32
04-28-2008, 06:40 AM
RE: Shockproof - BULL
I agree with Dynamite for the most part.....
The primary is old low technology....nothing really special about that. Cheap fluid will do just fine in here and synthetic won't make it last any longer. Fact remains....cheap 10w30 through 20w50 as well as ATF are all ok to use. Straight weight work fine too.
The transmission is of a simple design. Any cheap gear lube works great and will work just as good as the most expensive fluid on the market.
If a person believes their Harley should have the most expensive fluid available and that their bike last longer....go ahead and buy it if it makes you feel any better. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of cars and trucks using cheap gear lube in their differentials for thousands of miles with no trouble. Same goes for vehicles with a manual transmissions.
The Twin Cam can use either regluar Dino or synthetic oil be just fine. The extra heat and the fact that many synthetics hold up much better....synthetic would probably be the best choice here. I personally would probably use the Mobile One 15w50 if it were up to me. Having said all that....there is NO documentation of any engine failure due to either if the oil was synthetic or regular dino.
No matter what is used....the motor and other various parts will still wear out.
The primary is old low technology....nothing really special about that. Cheap fluid will do just fine in here and synthetic won't make it last any longer. Fact remains....cheap 10w30 through 20w50 as well as ATF are all ok to use. Straight weight work fine too.
The transmission is of a simple design. Any cheap gear lube works great and will work just as good as the most expensive fluid on the market.
If a person believes their Harley should have the most expensive fluid available and that their bike last longer....go ahead and buy it if it makes you feel any better. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of cars and trucks using cheap gear lube in their differentials for thousands of miles with no trouble. Same goes for vehicles with a manual transmissions.
The Twin Cam can use either regluar Dino or synthetic oil be just fine. The extra heat and the fact that many synthetics hold up much better....synthetic would probably be the best choice here. I personally would probably use the Mobile One 15w50 if it were up to me. Having said all that....there is NO documentation of any engine failure due to either if the oil was synthetic or regular dino.
No matter what is used....the motor and other various parts will still wear out.
#33
04-28-2008, 07:51 AM
RE: Shockproof - BULL
ORIGINAL: SK8ROD
shock proof in the trans and its made a frickin HUGE difference, likewise with MCV in the crank, after about ten miles it was a new bike, really smoothed it all out. No bull, straight up, both have made a big difference to my Bob. I'm guessing you did it wrong.... that should stur thungs up.....
shock proof in the trans and its made a frickin HUGE difference, likewise with MCV in the crank, after about ten miles it was a new bike, really smoothed it all out. No bull, straight up, both have made a big difference to my Bob. I'm guessing you did it wrong.... that should stur thungs up.....
I'm telling you, people spend the money and time putting in mail order Pepto Bismol and think it makes their tranny smoother, eaiser to find gears, reduces the "clunk". Sorry, on a properly maintained 07 Dyna (3800 miles now), I dont think you could tell in a blind ride test.
Crimping the inner ring under the gas cap to stop the rattle made a much more noticeable difference than this!
Guess this is an unpopular topic for the designer oil crowd. Now I've tried it. Just no Hugo oil please. My advice is a good synthetic locally available oil changed regularly (I think more often than the book) would probably be the best strategy. I can't wait to see what my dealer would say if I had a warranty issue and they found this pink stuff in my transmission. Pink oil in a Harley? Who woulda thunk?
#34
04-28-2008, 08:22 AM
RE: Shockproof - BULL
ORIGINAL: EVOrider
I agree with Dynamite for the most part.....
The primary is old low technology....nothing really special about that. Cheap fluid will do just fine in here and synthetic won't make it last any longer. Fact remains....cheap 10w30 through 20w50 as well as ATF are all ok to use. Straight weight work fine too.
The transmission is of a simple design. Any cheap gear lube works great and will work just as good as the most expensive fluid on the market.
If a person believes their Harley should have the most expensive fluid available and that their bike last longer....go ahead and buy it if it makes you feel any better. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of cars and trucks using cheap gear lube in their differentials for thousands of miles with no trouble. Same goes for vehicles with a manual transmissions.
The Twin Cam can use either regluar Dino or synthetic oil be just fine. The extra heat and the fact that many synthetics hold up much better....synthetic would probably be the best choice here. I personally would probably use the Mobile One 15w50 if it were up to me. Having said all that....there is NO documentation of any engine failure due to either if the oil was synthetic or regular dino.
No matter what is used....the motor and other various parts will still wear out.
I agree with Dynamite for the most part.....
The primary is old low technology....nothing really special about that. Cheap fluid will do just fine in here and synthetic won't make it last any longer. Fact remains....cheap 10w30 through 20w50 as well as ATF are all ok to use. Straight weight work fine too.
The transmission is of a simple design. Any cheap gear lube works great and will work just as good as the most expensive fluid on the market.
If a person believes their Harley should have the most expensive fluid available and that their bike last longer....go ahead and buy it if it makes you feel any better. Keep in mind that there are hundreds of cars and trucks using cheap gear lube in their differentials for thousands of miles with no trouble. Same goes for vehicles with a manual transmissions.
The Twin Cam can use either regluar Dino or synthetic oil be just fine. The extra heat and the fact that many synthetics hold up much better....synthetic would probably be the best choice here. I personally would probably use the Mobile One 15w50 if it were up to me. Having said all that....there is NO documentation of any engine failure due to either if the oil was synthetic or regular dino.
No matter what is used....the motor and other various parts will still wear out.
#35
04-28-2008, 08:41 AM
RE: Shockproof - BULL
2008 Wide Glide with 9,000 miles.
Dealer put Syn 3 in my tranny at the 1K service when I asked them to put it in the engine only.
The transmission sounded like marbles bouncing around in a tin can whenever I accelerated, and finding neutral was a pain. I switched to Spectro 6 speed tranny fluid and noticed some improvement, but the noise was still there.
Then I switched to Redline Shockproof and the noise was gone. It has a very high "cling" factor, coats and stays on the metal parts and doesn't throw off the way thinner oils do. Now that it has gotten hotter in the Phoenix area - near 100 degrees - I occasionally get a light chatter from the tranny in the heat of the day.
Yes there is still a loud clunk when going into 1st gear, but that doesn't bother me. Neutral is a breeze to find.
Until they come up with something better, I am sticking with the Redline Shockproof because of the performance - not the brand. I run Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50 in the crankcase and theengine is noticibly quieter and cooler than dyno oil or Syn 3. I still run Formula + in the primary.
I don't recommend anything to anyone else unless I notice a real improvement, and I recommend Redline shockproof in the tranny to everyone I ride with.
Just my experience.
Dealer put Syn 3 in my tranny at the 1K service when I asked them to put it in the engine only.
The transmission sounded like marbles bouncing around in a tin can whenever I accelerated, and finding neutral was a pain. I switched to Spectro 6 speed tranny fluid and noticed some improvement, but the noise was still there.
Then I switched to Redline Shockproof and the noise was gone. It has a very high "cling" factor, coats and stays on the metal parts and doesn't throw off the way thinner oils do. Now that it has gotten hotter in the Phoenix area - near 100 degrees - I occasionally get a light chatter from the tranny in the heat of the day.
Yes there is still a loud clunk when going into 1st gear, but that doesn't bother me. Neutral is a breeze to find.
Until they come up with something better, I am sticking with the Redline Shockproof because of the performance - not the brand. I run Mobil 1 V-Twin 20-50 in the crankcase and theengine is noticibly quieter and cooler than dyno oil or Syn 3. I still run Formula + in the primary.
I don't recommend anything to anyone else unless I notice a real improvement, and I recommend Redline shockproof in the tranny to everyone I ride with.
Just my experience.
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04-28-2008, 08:42 AM
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RE: Shockproof - BULL
technicley the Pink shock proof it too heavy for HD trans anyway, let me rephrase (WRONG) lube.
if you look at Redlines own site you can see that the medium shock proof is the correct fluid for the job. My gearbox was noisey for 500 miles when new and then went totaly quite! It dose not matter what i run in it, its quite. but Im trying the Belray trans lube next time anyway.
as for the engine oil, if you dont have heat gun or some sort of thermal imaging device you wont see any different just riding it. all the oils job is to lubricate and with most synthetics protect the parts with additives that are placed in the oil.
I dont belive in the Amsoil extended driving on my HD, the oil gets changed at 3 to 5 K nomatter what, the engine oil gets dirty from the combustion and from the outside air and I belive the running over 5K on any oil is detremental to the engine. and the additves burn off all oils after 5K miles.
Just maintain your ride and regular intervals and it will be fine.
if you look at Redlines own site you can see that the medium shock proof is the correct fluid for the job. My gearbox was noisey for 500 miles when new and then went totaly quite! It dose not matter what i run in it, its quite. but Im trying the Belray trans lube next time anyway.
as for the engine oil, if you dont have heat gun or some sort of thermal imaging device you wont see any different just riding it. all the oils job is to lubricate and with most synthetics protect the parts with additives that are placed in the oil.
I dont belive in the Amsoil extended driving on my HD, the oil gets changed at 3 to 5 K nomatter what, the engine oil gets dirty from the combustion and from the outside air and I belive the running over 5K on any oil is detremental to the engine. and the additves burn off all oils after 5K miles.
Just maintain your ride and regular intervals and it will be fine.
#37
04-28-2008, 08:56 AM
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RE: Shockproof - BULL
I changed to Shockproof a couple of oil changes ago. The only difference I have noticed is the neutral light now works right. Before it would come on at every shift and sometimes stay on while in 5th and 6th gear. Now it only comes on when it is neutral. So this stuff must be slipperier then the HD dino oil, because whatever was sticking has stopped sticking.
#38
04-28-2008, 07:59 PM
RE: Shockproof - BULL
ORIGINAL: Dynamite17
I'm telling you, people spend the money and time putting in mail order Pepto Bismol and think it makes their tranny smoother, eaiser to find gears, reduces the "clunk". Sorry, on a properly maintained 07 Dyna (3800 miles now), I dont think you could tell in a blind ride test.
I'm telling you, people spend the money and time putting in mail order Pepto Bismol and think it makes their tranny smoother, eaiser to find gears, reduces the "clunk". Sorry, on a properly maintained 07 Dyna (3800 miles now), I dont think you could tell in a blind ride test.
Got it.
#39
04-28-2008, 08:37 PM
RE: Shockproof - BULL
ORIGINAL: Splatter
So, what you're saying is people have tried it; reported their results and they're wrong. You, on the other hand, have tried it; reported your results and are right.
Got it.
ORIGINAL: Dynamite17
I'm telling you, people spend the money and time putting in mail order Pepto Bismol and think it makes their tranny smoother, eaiser to find gears, reduces the "clunk". Sorry, on a properly maintained 07 Dyna (3800 miles now), I dont think you could tell in a blind ride test.
I'm telling you, people spend the money and time putting in mail order Pepto Bismol and think it makes their tranny smoother, eaiser to find gears, reduces the "clunk". Sorry, on a properly maintained 07 Dyna (3800 miles now), I dont think you could tell in a blind ride test.
Got it.
#40
04-29-2008, 03:11 AM
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RE: Shockproof - BULL
ORIGINAL: mentor70
technicley the Pink shock proof it too heavy for HD trans anyway, let me rephrase (WRONG) lube.
if you look at Redlines own site you can see that the medium shock proof is the correct fluid for the job. My gearbox was noisey for 500 miles when new and then went totaly quite! It dose not matter what i run in it, its quite. but Im trying the Belray trans lube next time anyway.
as for the engine oil, if you dont have heat gun or some sort of thermal imaging device you wont see any different just riding it. all the oils job is to lubricate and with most synthetics protect the parts with additives that are placed in the oil.
I dont belive in the Amsoil extended driving on my HD, the oil gets changed at 3 to 5 K nomatter what, the engine oil gets dirty from the combustion and from the outside air and I belive the running over 5K on any oil is detremental to the engine. and the additves burn off all oils after 5K miles.
Just maintain your ride and regular intervals and it will be fine.
technicley the Pink shock proof it too heavy for HD trans anyway, let me rephrase (WRONG) lube.
if you look at Redlines own site you can see that the medium shock proof is the correct fluid for the job. My gearbox was noisey for 500 miles when new and then went totaly quite! It dose not matter what i run in it, its quite. but Im trying the Belray trans lube next time anyway.
as for the engine oil, if you dont have heat gun or some sort of thermal imaging device you wont see any different just riding it. all the oils job is to lubricate and with most synthetics protect the parts with additives that are placed in the oil.
I dont belive in the Amsoil extended driving on my HD, the oil gets changed at 3 to 5 K nomatter what, the engine oil gets dirty from the combustion and from the outside air and I belive the running over 5K on any oil is detremental to the engine. and the additves burn off all oils after 5K miles.
Just maintain your ride and regular intervals and it will be fine.