Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
#11
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
ORIGINAL: RazorFXDB
FINALLY!!!!!!!!! ... Someone talking straight.
The dealer I bought my bike off of went over this with me. I got their word that they would never reject a claim for the aftermarket pipes I bought through them ... and had them install. Now, I'm not saying they never will ... just that they said they wouldn't. Just to be perfectly clear, according to what my warranty says,it doesn't matter if the dealer install's 'em or you install 'em ... either WILL void your warranty. Now, I'm not saying you won't still have your warranty honored ... just that the dealercan, technically reject your "claim" .. so to speak.
Now I'm starting to ramble incoherently ... Bottom line is it's a grey area.
If your bike is under warranty, you should have a copy of said warranty.Mine states in no uncertain terms, in regular sized print that aftermarket non-HD parts installed on your bike will VOID your warranty. I believe my documentation actually uses pipes as an example.
Cheers,
Ray.
ORIGINAL: Beman
As an ex-harley service department worker I have an answer for you. People can disagree but this is how it is. The delarship that does the repair work has to file a warrranty approval to get the work covered by the people in Millwakee. Once you have changed parts if the delarship chooses not to or dose not want to cover it for whateverreason that is their call. If they file it and an audit is doneon the claim by the waranty departmentat milwakee they can choose tovoid the warnty as well if they find that no factory parts have been put on.
With that said most of the time things are not a big deal. The most important thing is that the re-flash on the ECMhas been done and the pipes were installed by the delarship. If thoesthings have not been done it is hard to say what the outcome could be but most of the time things were cool.I turned inall the warnty claims when I workedat the shop and the only time it ever got denied is when a guy put on drag pipes himself did not get theECM reflashed or had a race tuner and did it him self and then burnt a hole in a piston.That only happend once otherwise tothe best of my memory people bit the bullet and paid to have them installed and ECM upgraded correctly. The best advice I can give youis talk to a dealrship and see if they are willing to work with what you want.
As an ex-harley service department worker I have an answer for you. People can disagree but this is how it is. The delarship that does the repair work has to file a warrranty approval to get the work covered by the people in Millwakee. Once you have changed parts if the delarship chooses not to or dose not want to cover it for whateverreason that is their call. If they file it and an audit is doneon the claim by the waranty departmentat milwakee they can choose tovoid the warnty as well if they find that no factory parts have been put on.
With that said most of the time things are not a big deal. The most important thing is that the re-flash on the ECMhas been done and the pipes were installed by the delarship. If thoesthings have not been done it is hard to say what the outcome could be but most of the time things were cool.I turned inall the warnty claims when I workedat the shop and the only time it ever got denied is when a guy put on drag pipes himself did not get theECM reflashed or had a race tuner and did it him self and then burnt a hole in a piston.That only happend once otherwise tothe best of my memory people bit the bullet and paid to have them installed and ECM upgraded correctly. The best advice I can give youis talk to a dealrship and see if they are willing to work with what you want.
The dealer I bought my bike off of went over this with me. I got their word that they would never reject a claim for the aftermarket pipes I bought through them ... and had them install. Now, I'm not saying they never will ... just that they said they wouldn't. Just to be perfectly clear, according to what my warranty says,it doesn't matter if the dealer install's 'em or you install 'em ... either WILL void your warranty. Now, I'm not saying you won't still have your warranty honored ... just that the dealercan, technically reject your "claim" .. so to speak.
Now I'm starting to ramble incoherently ... Bottom line is it's a grey area.
If your bike is under warranty, you should have a copy of said warranty.Mine states in no uncertain terms, in regular sized print that aftermarket non-HD parts installed on your bike will VOID your warranty. I believe my documentation actually uses pipes as an example.
Cheers,
Ray.
I found it extremely difficult to get Harley-Davidson (dealerships) to take care of their own Recall obligations, that they notified me of, let alone any warranty item.
Checkout the dealerships Service Department's reputation, before your purchase is my suggestion.
DougJ
#12
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
This is interesting topic.
Ok here is what i was told when i asked in depth about it at a local dealer.
HD takes the stand that if aftermarket parts like pipes are put on by dealer or anyone your warranty is void.
Ok this is what he said if his dealership puts this on they will warranty the bike and no issues will arise yada yada. If you put them on your self no issues will arise unless they prove it was something you did wrong.
However he had one guy that did not believe him and called Harley davidson and talked to them on the Phone at headquarters and told them that he had changed his pipes dumb move. They said please hold came back told him his warranty was void and this conversation is over basically.
Next time he brought his bike in for an issue not even related to the pipes and the dealership brought up his bike on the system it was flagged from HD headquarters as Warranty Voided do not perform any Warranty work on this bike.
Now weather that is true or not means i would not call National and ask lol. Most dealers will take care of you the rest will screw you.
Prime example i do all my own work and my own service my dealership has no problem with that and has already replaced a rockerbox gasket that was leaking.
My buddy does the same and his dealership wouldn't tighten his spokes under warranty because he did his own 5,000 mile service thats bull ****. He had to pay $120 bucks. and they were all loose as hell and the wheel wobbling. Thats a warranty claim
Ok here is what i was told when i asked in depth about it at a local dealer.
HD takes the stand that if aftermarket parts like pipes are put on by dealer or anyone your warranty is void.
Ok this is what he said if his dealership puts this on they will warranty the bike and no issues will arise yada yada. If you put them on your self no issues will arise unless they prove it was something you did wrong.
However he had one guy that did not believe him and called Harley davidson and talked to them on the Phone at headquarters and told them that he had changed his pipes dumb move. They said please hold came back told him his warranty was void and this conversation is over basically.
Next time he brought his bike in for an issue not even related to the pipes and the dealership brought up his bike on the system it was flagged from HD headquarters as Warranty Voided do not perform any Warranty work on this bike.
Now weather that is true or not means i would not call National and ask lol. Most dealers will take care of you the rest will screw you.
Prime example i do all my own work and my own service my dealership has no problem with that and has already replaced a rockerbox gasket that was leaking.
My buddy does the same and his dealership wouldn't tighten his spokes under warranty because he did his own 5,000 mile service thats bull ****. He had to pay $120 bucks. and they were all loose as hell and the wheel wobbling. Thats a warranty claim
#13
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
Another determining factor is when you first hit the door, (Attitude) and your relationship with the Dealer/Service Dept... Service manager....They candecide to go to bat for your, or not...or you can become another numbers figure for themonths total numbers. One of my closest Friends is a service Manager at a large Dealership....Belive me the last thing you want to do is hit there door with Attitude. If there is any crack in the door they can kick it open if they need to and believe methe MOCO willback there Certified Techs and Service Managers beforeyou...
#14
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
B S, if your dealer sells you your after market pipes you think that they would stand behind it. However, if you take it to another dealer expecting warranty work and something was wrong, they probably would not honor it, cause warranty work is a loosing propostion to them in the first place, and if they can avoid doing warranty work you know they're gonna.
#15
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
ORIGINAL: OhioSkully
However he had one guy that did not believe him and called Harley davidson and talked to them on the Phone at headquarters and told them that he had changed his pipes dumb move. They said please hold came back told him his warranty was void and this conversation is over basically.
However he had one guy that did not believe him and called Harley davidson and talked to them on the Phone at headquarters and told them that he had changed his pipes dumb move. They said please hold came back told him his warranty was void and this conversation is over basically.
As Trotter points out, your attitude has a lot to do with it. If you go in there screaming and yelling and pointing fingers, they'll immediately get defensive and not be on your side. A lot of what happens to determine warranty covereage begins on the dealer side. After all, if the factory doesn't do an audit of it (and let's face it - how many can they audit?) then they have to take the dealer at their word that it should be a warranty repair.
#16
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
ORIGINAL: lionsm13
B S, if your dealer sells you your after market pipes you think that they would stand behind it. However, if you take it to another dealer expecting warranty work and something was wrong, they probably would not honor it, cause warranty work is a loosing propostion to them in the first place, and if they can avoid doing warranty work you know they're gonna.
B S, if your dealer sells you your after market pipes you think that they would stand behind it. However, if you take it to another dealer expecting warranty work and something was wrong, they probably would not honor it, cause warranty work is a loosing propostion to them in the first place, and if they can avoid doing warranty work you know they're gonna.
#18
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
Greg ..You are right they get credit off the top for all warranty work... Mechanic's and dealer gets paid.... Dealers don't mind warranty work at all.... They want any and all of your repeat business Warranty or not... Buy taking care of your Warranty work and building a relation ship with you, they hope you will feel confident enough for them to do your non warranty work as well..
#19
RE: Does Aftermarket Exhausts Void HD Warranty
ORIGINAL: Trotter
Greg ..You are right they get credit off the top for all warranty work... Mechanic's and dealer gets paid.... Dealers don't mind warranty work at all.... They want any and all of your repeat business Warranty or not... Buy taking care of your Warranty work and building a relation ship with you, they hope you will feel confident enough for them to do your non warranty work as well..
Greg ..You are right they get credit off the top for all warranty work... Mechanic's and dealer gets paid.... Dealers don't mind warranty work at all.... They want any and all of your repeat business Warranty or not... Buy taking care of your Warranty work and building a relation ship with you, they hope you will feel confident enough for them to do your non warranty work as well..
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