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Old 08-06-2024 | 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by djl
If the OP has nearby access to a good tuner the new motor can be "broken in", i.e., good ring seal and tuned all in one session; done. One heat cycle for about a minute to listen for strange noises and leaks then off tot the dyno. Even if the bike has to be trailered to the dyno, one session and ride; just avoid stupid **** as has been said. Any good break in oil will do; I have had good luck with Shell Rotella 15W40. Dump oil and filter at 100 miles and again at 500 miles then change oil/filter at appropriate intervals.
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Letting the dyno tuner break it in is definitely an option, just make sure they are renowned to some degree. Also I know a lot of people like to use Rotella in there bikes and for the initial run/heat cycles I am sure it is fine but long term use that oil isn't good for these engines because of the amount of detergents added for the excessively dirty environment diesels run into. It has a tendency to wash away the good carbon build up the motor needs to have.
I'd really like to do that but need to find a tuner, hopefully @Reindeer see's my reply since he lives near me. Otherwise, I'll ask around because as it stands right now the only shop I know of with a dyno near me is the dealership, and they're sure as **** not tuning my bike.
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 02:47 PM
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I had mine tuned by Mike at V-Tech Motorsports up in Ramsey, but it appears they've since closed. I know there used to be a guy at Faribault HD that was highly recommended (Jason?) but no idea if he's still around, or if dealers can even tune bikes anymore. Other names I remember being recommended from back when I was researching was Mike Roland out west in Watertown, Tony at Boar House in Lino Lake, and B&A in Blaine. No idea if any of those guys are still active.
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Reindeer
I had mine tuned by Mike at V-Tech Motorsports up in Ramsey, but it appears they've since closed. I know there used to be a guy at Faribault HD that was highly recommended (Jason?) but no idea if he's still around, or if dealers can even tune bikes anymore. Other names I remember being recommended from back when I was researching was Mike Roland out west in Watertown, Tony at Boar House in Lino Lake, and B&A in Blaine. No idea if any of those guys are still active.
I appreciate all the info. B&A came up in another thread on the 18+ Softail forum so I know they're still in business.
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by override
Letting the dyno tuner break it in is definitely an option, just make sure they are renowned to some degree. Also I know a lot of people like to use Rotella in there bikes and for the initial run/heat cycles I am sure it is fine but long term use that oil isn't good for these engines because of the amount of detergents added for the excessively dirty environment diesels run into. It has a tendency to wash away the good carbon build up the motor needs to have.
I wonder where the places are where carbon buildup is good to have.. Tops of pistons, exhaust port?
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by snake_eyes
I wish you guys would stop quoting the Round one, he's on my ignore list.
Maybe they figure the only way to get a hysterical woman to stop crying, is a slap in the face. It's what they did in the old movies
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Max Headflow
I wonder where the places are where carbon buildup is good to have.. Tops of pistons, exhaust port?
​​​​​​Build up is probably the wrong word, more like deposits, my fault. Though yes, the top outer edge of the piston and the very small gap around the cylinder head gasket where they mate up with the cylinders. Not allowing that to build up can create small hot spots on the sides of the pistons. Also the beneficial deposits around your ring gaps that can help promote the rings sealing against the walls.

We definitely aren't talking about a lot of deposits, very little in fact.

I know it's not apples to apples but in the 2 stroke world it's called piston wash, if you ever pulled a head and didn't have carbon build up in the center of your piston it was a tall tell sign you are running too rich. When you are jetted properly a pattern will start to develop where the intake and exhaust ports are at. A really experienced mechanic or tuner can use that to know exactly what the carbs are doing if the motor is otherwise healthy.
 
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Old 08-06-2024 | 09:29 PM
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Originally Posted by snake_eyes
I wish you guys would stop quoting the Round one, he's on my ignore list.
Don't worry about it.. It's not related to the thread and not important.
 

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Old 08-06-2024 | 10:14 PM
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Don't worry about it.. It's not related to the thread and not important.
You right his post had nothing to do with this thread.
 
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Old 08-07-2024 | 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by override
Letting the dyno tuner break it in is definitely an option, just make sure they are renowned to some degree. Also I know a lot of people like to use Rotella in there bikes and for the initial run/heat cycles I am sure it is fine but long term use that oil isn't good for these engines because of the amount of detergents added for the excessively dirty environment diesels run into. It has a tendency to wash away the good carbon build up the motor needs to have.
Didn't say anything about using Rotella long term but it has worked as a break in oil for me; others can make their own choice. BTW, what is "good" carbon build up?
 
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Old 08-07-2024 | 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by djl
Didn't say anything about using Rotella long term but it has worked as a break in oil for me; others can make their own choice. BTW, what is "good" carbon build up?
Yeah as break in oil I'm sure it's fine, I was just throwing the information out there is all, nothing against you.

See post #26 on the deposits.
 


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