Should I dyno
#13
12-10-2016 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghost_13
Should I dyno
Yes
Bikes come off the show room floor no where close to optimally tuned - in fact its the opposite
So until you baseline it - doesn't matter what you add / upgrade
As for self tunes / butt tunes - wasted effort..., when compared to a "proper" dyno tune
Proper in parenthesis as not all tuners are worth a damn..., find one that is
You won't be disappointed
Ghost
Yes
Bikes come off the show room floor no where close to optimally tuned - in fact its the opposite
So until you baseline it - doesn't matter what you add / upgrade
As for self tunes / butt tunes - wasted effort..., when compared to a "proper" dyno tune
Proper in parenthesis as not all tuners are worth a damn..., find one that is
You won't be disappointed
Ghost
#14
12-10-2016 | 07:37 PM
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Yeah, I already have one. Now I have two. For the $200 it cost me to add it onto the package, the lifetime support and tunes made it worthwhile.
#15
12-10-2016 | 10:39 PM
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So it can wait..., it can wait till after the upgrades (exhaust) done..., and more that likely it'll run "acceptably" w/ the new exhaust and no tune
What will be gained
Eliminate decel pop (if any)
Improved engine cooling
Improved gas mileage
And of course improved (maximized) motor performance (@ idle..., the throttle response throughout RPM range..., improved acceleration..., higher speed @ less RPM.., easier take offs & less prone to lugging (increased torque)..., longer plug life..., easier starts..., less prone to carbon-ing up the cylinders )
Like I said - more likely than not you could upgrade the exhaust (and even the AC) and run it without ever tuning - but I wouldn't
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My other suggestion - learn to do your own wrenching and save money
There a lot of good members here - have any issues - never hesitate to ask
Changing exhaust is relatively straight forward - making it a good project to cut your teeth on
Ghost
#16
12-10-2016 | 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Ghost_13
It's running now (I assume)
So it can wait..., it can wait till after the upgrades (exhaust) done..., and more that likely it'll run "acceptably" w/ the new exhaust and no tune
What will be gained
Eliminate decel pop (if any)
Improved engine cooling
Improved gas mileage
And of course improved (maximized) motor performance (@ idle..., the throttle response throughout RPM range..., improved acceleration..., higher speed @ less RPM.., easier take offs & less prone to lugging (increased torque)..., longer plug life..., easier starts..., less prone to carbon-ing up the cylinders )
Like I said - more likely than not you could upgrade the exhaust (and even the AC) and run it without ever tuning - but I wouldn't
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My other suggestion - learn to do your own wrenching and save money
There a lot of good members here - have any issues - never hesitate to ask
Changing exhaust is relatively straight forward - making it a good project to cut your teeth on
Ghost
So it can wait..., it can wait till after the upgrades (exhaust) done..., and more that likely it'll run "acceptably" w/ the new exhaust and no tune
What will be gained
Eliminate decel pop (if any)
Improved engine cooling
Improved gas mileage
And of course improved (maximized) motor performance (@ idle..., the throttle response throughout RPM range..., improved acceleration..., higher speed @ less RPM.., easier take offs & less prone to lugging (increased torque)..., longer plug life..., easier starts..., less prone to carbon-ing up the cylinders )
Like I said - more likely than not you could upgrade the exhaust (and even the AC) and run it without ever tuning - but I wouldn't
==============
My other suggestion - learn to do your own wrenching and save money
There a lot of good members here - have any issues - never hesitate to ask
Changing exhaust is relatively straight forward - making it a good project to cut your teeth on
Ghost
Honestly I can already do my own wrenching (nobody touched my last bike besides me) but I got this bike, for free, in honor of my mother in law and I promised my wife that I wouldn't do anything major to it that would void warranty or be major work. I have convinced her that exhaust is not major work considering I put a Jardine pipe and rejetted the carb on my Suzuki.
I'm looking at the PV 2 as a stop gap until I want to spend the money on a dyno. I'm gonna be at sea for over a month in February so that may be a good time for that.
In your opinion though, with new exhaust and a PV 2, think I'll be decent until I decide to have it professionally done?
#19
12-10-2016 | 11:57 PM
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It's running now (I assume)
So it can wait..., it can wait till after the upgrades (exhaust) done..., and more that likely it'll run "acceptably" w/ the new exhaust and no tune
What will be gained
Eliminate decel pop (if any)
Improved engine cooling
Improved gas mileage
And of course improved (maximized) motor performance (@ idle..., the throttle response throughout RPM range..., improved acceleration..., higher speed @ less RPM.., easier take offs & less prone to lugging (increased torque)..., longer plug life..., easier starts..., less prone to carbon-ing up the cylinders )
Like I said - more likely than not you could upgrade the exhaust (and even the AC) and run it without ever tuning - but I wouldn't
==============
My other suggestion - learn to do your own wrenching and save money
There a lot of good members here - have any issues - never hesitate to ask
Changing exhaust is relatively straight forward - making it a good project to cut your teeth on
Ghost
So it can wait..., it can wait till after the upgrades (exhaust) done..., and more that likely it'll run "acceptably" w/ the new exhaust and no tune
What will be gained
Eliminate decel pop (if any)
Improved engine cooling
Improved gas mileage
And of course improved (maximized) motor performance (@ idle..., the throttle response throughout RPM range..., improved acceleration..., higher speed @ less RPM.., easier take offs & less prone to lugging (increased torque)..., longer plug life..., easier starts..., less prone to carbon-ing up the cylinders )
Like I said - more likely than not you could upgrade the exhaust (and even the AC) and run it without ever tuning - but I wouldn't
==============
My other suggestion - learn to do your own wrenching and save money
There a lot of good members here - have any issues - never hesitate to ask
Changing exhaust is relatively straight forward - making it a good project to cut your teeth on
Ghost
get your tuner to give you the tune file after its been "optimized" to see if the gains arent in sneaky moves on the dyno