A few install questions please
#1
A few install questions please
Almost have all of my parts ready. Need a few things clarified. Ok fine, a few more than a few things...
1. Can I run the power and ground for my DSP from the distribution blocks the amps are connected to? The wires coming off the DSP are tiny. If I can run them to the blocks do they have to have their own "channel" on the distribution block or can I just tie them in with the channels the amps are using on the blocks? Power wire for DSP is already fused.
2. Do I set the amp gains to their final desired levels prior to setting up the DSP? Or do I get them close, set up DSP and then tweak the amp gains to the final levels after?
3. Everyone warns the horns need to be dialed back. VOB3 specs state 50-100. I assume thats 50 rms and 100 peak. Where should I set the amp gains? 50? 75? less than 50 and adjust the output dbs in the DSP?
4. When setting crossovers in the DSP do you just set up the filters at the speakers rated frequency ranges? For example, the Faitals are rated 60hz-6khz. From everything Ive seen so far it would seem nobody would cross them way down at 60hz. Is the idea to have the slope before the Xover point come in at 60hz? Since these speakers are being paired with the horns and horns will get hi passed at 3khz, I planned to have the Faitals Low passed at about 4khz for the overlap. On the right track? Same for all speakers? I listed all specs below.
5. I see a lot of talk about preamp output voltages and having the DSP set accordingly. I do not see anything in the Daytons DSP software about setting this factor. My Aquatic AV has 4v preamp outputs. Do I need to make any adjustments in my settings anywhere for this?
6. Lastly, for now, I think, can anyone tell me if the VOB3s drop into the gauge holes by themselves or do I need the blank hole adapters from the electra standard models?
2011 FLHTCU
Aquatic AV
SD1200.4
SD250.2
Dayton 408
2x Faital 6RS140 - fairing (sd 1200 parallel bridged ch 1-2) Speakers rated 200-400w and 60hz - 6khz. Intend to set at 300w and 85hz-4kz LR 24db slope.
2x DD VOB3 - fairing (sd 250 in stereo) Speakers rated 50-100w and 3k-20k. Intend to set at 50w and 3kz-20kz LR 24db slope.
2x DB WDX6MOTO g2 - lower fairings (sd 1200 parallel ch 3) Speakers rated at 175-400w and 80hz-21khz. Intend to set at 150w and 100hz-15khz LR 24db slope.
2x Mmats PA 601cx - TP pods (sd 1200 parallel ch 4) Speakers rated at 100-150w and 120hz-20khz. Intend to set at 100w and 120khz-15khz LR 24db slope.
I have gotten a lot of help from a lot of members here and I cannot thank you all enough. I hope to continue to gain knowledge about this subject and be able to assist others in the future. When I was in my late teens I wanted to attend one of those technical schools that teach you everything car audio and eventually get into that line of work. Unfortunately that did not pan out so this hobby I am under taking now is satisfying that passion I had.
1. Can I run the power and ground for my DSP from the distribution blocks the amps are connected to? The wires coming off the DSP are tiny. If I can run them to the blocks do they have to have their own "channel" on the distribution block or can I just tie them in with the channels the amps are using on the blocks? Power wire for DSP is already fused.
2. Do I set the amp gains to their final desired levels prior to setting up the DSP? Or do I get them close, set up DSP and then tweak the amp gains to the final levels after?
3. Everyone warns the horns need to be dialed back. VOB3 specs state 50-100. I assume thats 50 rms and 100 peak. Where should I set the amp gains? 50? 75? less than 50 and adjust the output dbs in the DSP?
4. When setting crossovers in the DSP do you just set up the filters at the speakers rated frequency ranges? For example, the Faitals are rated 60hz-6khz. From everything Ive seen so far it would seem nobody would cross them way down at 60hz. Is the idea to have the slope before the Xover point come in at 60hz? Since these speakers are being paired with the horns and horns will get hi passed at 3khz, I planned to have the Faitals Low passed at about 4khz for the overlap. On the right track? Same for all speakers? I listed all specs below.
5. I see a lot of talk about preamp output voltages and having the DSP set accordingly. I do not see anything in the Daytons DSP software about setting this factor. My Aquatic AV has 4v preamp outputs. Do I need to make any adjustments in my settings anywhere for this?
6. Lastly, for now, I think, can anyone tell me if the VOB3s drop into the gauge holes by themselves or do I need the blank hole adapters from the electra standard models?
2011 FLHTCU
Aquatic AV
SD1200.4
SD250.2
Dayton 408
2x Faital 6RS140 - fairing (sd 1200 parallel bridged ch 1-2) Speakers rated 200-400w and 60hz - 6khz. Intend to set at 300w and 85hz-4kz LR 24db slope.
2x DD VOB3 - fairing (sd 250 in stereo) Speakers rated 50-100w and 3k-20k. Intend to set at 50w and 3kz-20kz LR 24db slope.
2x DB WDX6MOTO g2 - lower fairings (sd 1200 parallel ch 3) Speakers rated at 175-400w and 80hz-21khz. Intend to set at 150w and 100hz-15khz LR 24db slope.
2x Mmats PA 601cx - TP pods (sd 1200 parallel ch 4) Speakers rated at 100-150w and 120hz-20khz. Intend to set at 100w and 120khz-15khz LR 24db slope.
I have gotten a lot of help from a lot of members here and I cannot thank you all enough. I hope to continue to gain knowledge about this subject and be able to assist others in the future. When I was in my late teens I wanted to attend one of those technical schools that teach you everything car audio and eventually get into that line of work. Unfortunately that did not pan out so this hobby I am under taking now is satisfying that passion I had.
#2
I don't deal with horns so I can't help you there, but some of the stuff you ask about I have done on my bike.
I just poked the power wires from my DSP into where the eight gauge wire went into the connection sockets of the amp near it. My DSP draws such a small amount of current it won't make ny difference.
I had set my amp gains when they were plugged straight into the head unit and then put the DSP into the mix.
As for the crossover points I set all of mine to the manufacturer's recommended levels. One exception I have is my 6x9s claim to play down to about 80 Hz I think but I had problems crossing them below 110. A safe bet is usually to start with the vendor's specs like you mentioned and try them out.
Good luck.
Not many DSPs that we use on these sleds have adjustable voltages. The Arc PSM I am using does but if yours don't just ignore the option.
I just poked the power wires from my DSP into where the eight gauge wire went into the connection sockets of the amp near it. My DSP draws such a small amount of current it won't make ny difference.
I had set my amp gains when they were plugged straight into the head unit and then put the DSP into the mix.
As for the crossover points I set all of mine to the manufacturer's recommended levels. One exception I have is my 6x9s claim to play down to about 80 Hz I think but I had problems crossing them below 110. A safe bet is usually to start with the vendor's specs like you mentioned and try them out.
Good luck.
Not many DSPs that we use on these sleds have adjustable voltages. The Arc PSM I am using does but if yours don't just ignore the option.
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glsec507 (05-28-2020)
#3
Horns can be set by ear pretty easily. Those B3 don’t need much as they will rip your ears off in a hurry. Setting amp gains should be done with the dsp in play already. You can donut before but you will need to check or reset them once dsp is in play. Crossovers you need to be wary of where you set them and at what slope. Just because you set them at 3000 they may actually be playing lower than that. You will see this on your dsp last graph the Dayton does not have adjustable pre volt so don’t worry about that.
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glsec507 (05-28-2020)
#5
Set the horns by ear which will probably wind up in the 20-30W range as far as power. I wouldn't go below 4Khz on the B3's. Just for reference the crossover pack that they come with is a 5K 12db crossover. You could try them at 3K but just be aware that those things will go up in smoke real quick if they are played to low or have to much juice.
#6
Set the horns by ear which will probably wind up in the 20-30W range as far as power. I wouldn't go below 4Khz on the B3's. Just for reference the crossover pack that they come with is a 5K 12db crossover. You could try them at 3K but just be aware that those things will go up in smoke real quick if they are played to low or have to much juice.
#7
Ok so literally leave the gains all the way down and bring them up until they blend well with the rest...? If they come with a crossover than I might as well set the HP at the same 5khz and 12db slope no? This is gonna turn into a pretty amusing circus with me jumping back and forth from the gain **** to the riding position at various volume levels. I hope my neighbors enjoy the music!
My neighbor just asked me if I could at least play the whole damn song.
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