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Old 02-25-2020, 11:14 AM
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After I had a stage 2 SE Torque Cam done on my 2019 Heritage 114 with Rineharts 3.5 slip-ons anf K&N High Flow filter and tuned by at the dealer using the SE Pro Street Tuner, my bike run and sounded like s__t. It’s engine was running hot, sluggish and had terrible deceleration pop. In fact, the sweet throaty sound of the Rineharts when it was still in Stage 1 was replaced with a ear irritating high pitch cracking sound that drove me nuts especially when wearing a full-face helmet. I opted to follow the dealer’s “recommended tuner” to avoid warranty issues. But the discontent I experienced forced me to replace the SE tuner with the Fp3.

i emailed V&H Customer Support with the modifications I made with my bike. The V&H technician made a map which I then downloaded and flashed to my bike. I did this fully aware of the consequences with regards to my bike’s warranty.

The performance with the Fp3 vs the SE is like night and day. Now I can feel the added torque of the Stsge 2 cam, the engine now runs cool and the Rineharts sound way much better. My only regret is that I paid almost $300 for a piece of junk that is the SE Pro Street Tuner.
 
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Old 02-25-2020, 11:25 AM
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The FP3 has evolved to be a good product. Your experience, however, was probably more of a bad tune by the dealer than anything else. My Heritage 114 with the same cam tuned by my dealer is the best running bike I've ever had. Can you post the dynamometer results from your dealer tune?
 
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My stage 2 sounds and runs great with the se tuner, and that’s with the default map.
 
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Good for both of you that the SE tuner worked for you. Just for the record, are you using an open type exhausts like what I use? I believe this an issue because the SE tuner forces the user’s emission to be within the bounds of what is legal.
 
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Old 02-25-2020, 06:36 PM
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Good for both of you that the SE tuner worked for you. Just for the record, are you using an open type exhausts like what I use? I believe this an issue because the SE tuner forces the user’s emission to be within the bounds of what is legal.
I'm running S&S slip-on mufflers.

In any case, let's just look at the facts. Please post the AFR table V&H sent you in the tuning calibration file. I'll make a comparison to the one in my Street Tuner. An easy way is a screen grab with your phone. If the table is too big just grab as many screens as you need. From the FP3 Manual:

 

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I run s&s as well, with the baffles in. It’s a straight through exhaust though.
 
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I’ll have to check first if V&H allows its users to share data from the Fp3.
 
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I’ll have to check first if V&H allows its users to share data from the Fp3.
Basic tuning calibration files are freely available online from Power Vision (Dynojet), TTS Mastertune, Thundermax, and Harley Davidson.

I downloaded the FP3 app and in demo mode I was able to download a map for a 2019 Heritage with Rinehart slip-ons, high flow air cleaner, and the SE torque cam. Here's the top corner of the AFR table.
It would be best to compare to the table they sent you, I would expect it has the same values.


 

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Basic tuning calibration files are freely available online from Power Vision (Dynojet), TTS Mastertune, Thundermax, and Harley Davidson.

I downloaded the FP3 app and in demo mode I was able to download a map for a 2019 Heritage with Rinehart slip-ons, high flow air cleaner, and the SE torque cam. Here's the top corner of the AFR table.
It would be best to compare to the table they sent you, I would expect it has the same values.

I am out of town for the moment. However, V&H advised me to choose the V&H Twin Slash 3 slip-ons over the Rinehart 3.0 for my current Rinehart 3.5 slip-on exhaust. Most probably, you can also search the AFR table of the setting I am using like you did with the above and compare it to the AFR Table from your SE Tuner. Kindly share with us your findings and impressions.

Btw, the Harley dealer who did my Stage 2 set-up never shared to me the AFR results of his setting.
 

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I know it's too late now, but you could've just tried the SE Street Pro canned tune and few autotune sessions before going FP3 and voiding your warranty. I'm about to go with Stage II, so don't have 1st hand experience yet, but my Stage 1 with Rineharts and SE autotune sessions made the bike ride better than stock or the canned tune.
 


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