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Old 11-07-2009, 07:07 PM
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Not a Road King but you get the idea. I have a friend who vacuums out the oil from the drain and made a fitting so he could inject the oil up in it using the measuring method. Since most of the forks here on this forum are (bushings & always change the seals) worn out, I recommend using this method found on my site HERE under my DIY
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Old 11-08-2009, 12:16 AM
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No need to jack the bike up to change the fork oil. Follow the procedures in this write-up.

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Old 11-08-2009, 08:01 AM
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I-Click, please do not take the following posting the wrong way as we have had several off forums conversations. I do lots of these fork changes and I will tell you my experiences. If anyone here disagrees with my methods, it is your bike and I do not ride it, do what you like.

When taking apart a FL late model fork with more that 7,500 miles I see;
  • The bushings are well on their way to be worn out. Not just a few but all I have seen. Below is a typical example. The Teflon coating is starting to wear through on the inside of the brown bushings (last photo) that are in the top slider under the fork seal and the silver bushing located on the bottom for the fork tube. This was on Johnny G new 07 FLHX with 7.5 K miles.
  • The first photo is a set off of a 49 mm Dyna with 10K miles who is also a member here.
  • Before reassembling a fork I clean all with contact cleaner including the inside of the fork tube. Look at the seat pipe, it has a ring on it just like a piston in your engine. When using a round brush and swab, I clean out the tube just like a barrel of a shotgun. There is much debris and deposits that come out of it.
  • My question who among us thinks that a set of worn out bushings and dirty cylinder walls and dirty oil makes a good situation?
  • If you do not inspect your forks how can you know if it is worn or not? Do you think the HD suspension, as poorly designed as it is, will move as freely as it should under these circumstances?
Again, I do not ride your bike not do I have any interest in if your bike rides properly or not, do what you like.

If you have 10K miles on any HD forks this is what they look like:


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Fast Harley, that was very instructive...I have changed my fuid only but never looked at the insides...Tremendous improvement with fluid change though...I am not sure i would attempt the change on the innerds though...
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If anyone here disagrees with my methods, it is your bike and I do not ride it, do what you like.
If you have 10K miles on any HD forks this is what they look like:


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Johnny G forks
Not disagreeing with your findings,but are you saying the bushings should be replaced every 7000-10000 miles?
That would be ridicules,IMO.
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Don't put in heavier oil. True, it will help with dampening, but on rebound, that thicker oil has to be drawn through some very small holes, and it will slowdown the rebound, which you don't want. Keep the same weight of oil, but change the springs to a Progressive suspension spring. it will fix all of your problems.
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Not disagreeing with your findings,but are you saying the bushings should be replaced every 7000-10000 miles?
That would be ridicules,IMO.
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but are you saying the bushings should be replaced every 7000-10000 miles?
I said I do not care what you do. I would suggest that you replace them when they are worn out which you will not know about without disassembling your forks to find out. If you wish to ride your bike with worn out parts than that is up to you, I am only investing my time educating members in a subject that I do for a living.
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I would suggest that you replace them when they are worn out which you will not know about without disassembling your forks to find out.
Maybe this is why the HD manual sez to disasemble the forks when changing the oil?

Not trying to start anything with you,I appreciate your concern and the time you spent to show us!
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I-Click, please do not take the following posting the wrong way as we have had several off forums conversations. I do lots of these fork changes and I will tell you my experiences. If anyone here disagrees with my methods, it is your bike and I do not ride it, do what you like.
I'm not disputing your findings, but the design of fork bushings hasn't changed since 1984. The stock bushings in my '96 RK were inspected at 25k for a chrome-lower-leg upgrade and found to be in very good shape and were reused. At 100k a seal started leaking on the right fork and the bushings on that fork still looked very good, better than those in your photos, and were not replaced. When I sold the bike at 106k I noticed no changes in the behavior of the front-end compared to new. I'm now at 33k on my SG and feel no changes, except I do like the feel of the SE Heavy fork oil better.
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there was a thread a couple of months ago about this very topic, you may want to try the search function, as it was a very helpful thread. yes, the screamin eagle heavy is perfect for my streetglide, a similar weight to your roadking, a little bit of weight difference because of the fairing, but i find that the front end feels firmly planted rather than having the marhmallow effect that the stock oil has. i no longer have deep front end dive when coming to a stoplight using the front brake. the screamin eagle heavy works great for me. better control in curves too by the way. and not too harsh at all on the hiway. DO NOT USE THE SCREAMIN EAGLE RACING. just the screamin eagle heavy is fine.
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