2007 Tranny problem!

[rmsurveyors]

If we really want to get MOCO's attention regarding their 07 mistakes and warranty denial, here is what we do. The day or there about the 08's are released, we each send an email to the following address, showing our discontent with MOCO and their 07 bikes. If enough people hit this email with the same complaint against MOCO, I guarantee you willget a response on national TV about these 07 issues. Ifat firstwe get noanswer, keep sending the email till we do. It's called strength in numbers, I don't know if MOCOis really aware of the number of people they have riled over these 07's.But of all things,be politeandto thepoint with your email, also addthelink to this thread in your email, as well as any other links that may be relevant, I know there are several other threads on this site alone regarding the 07 issues. Strength in numbers with negative publicity about MOCO that's what it's going to take. So lets allpick a date/time and do it, if your tired of the big guy running over you that is.oreilly@foxnews.com

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[rbabos]

rmsurveyors: Sounds good but the masses we need for a good one shot hit on this, probably don't know about this thread. Can you picture it though? 3000 hits within 30 minutes on the same subject. I think someone would notice. Gotta get our times together due to differnet zones for a continuous flow. Has anyone figured out a head count with the people that haveless than desirable trannys? Short of posting the plan at a dealer not sure how to do it. Bet it won't stay up for 5 minutes before the denial experts find it and destroy it.
Ron

[adroitexdetroiter]

I just read Peterson's column in September's AIM in which he talks about pros and cons of the TC96. I was alarmed by the section titled "Measuring Shaft Run-Out". It would appear that this is a fairly common problem with the 96. I quote: "a small but significant number of Twin Cams are coming with run-out of 0.003"-0.004" on the pinion shaftend". And: "This is extraordinary". Also: "Anything more than a 0.001" run-out will produce a lot of engine vibration and premature wear of all affected parts, especially the oil pump". Finally: "We now check every Twin Cam that we take apart".

[rmsurveyors]

ORIGINAL: adroitexdetroiter

I just read Peterson's column in September's AIM in which he talks about pros and cons of the TC96. I was alarmed by the section titled "Measuring Shaft Run-Out". It would appear that this is a fairly common problem with the 96. I quote: "a small but significant number of Twin Cams are coming with run-out of 0.003"-0.004" on the pinion shaftend". And: "This is extraordinary". Also: "Anything more than a 0.001" run-out will produce a lot of engine vibration and premature wear of all affected parts, especially the oil pump". Finally: "We now check every Twin Cam that we take apart".

Itseems we haveanother worry with our'07s. I would recommend that everyone have run-out checked, especially if you notice more-than-usual enginevibration. I'm having mine checked ASAP. I've read about the same issue with the S/E bikes on cvoharley.com.Donny's article doesn't say whether the affected bikeshave severe run-out from the beginning or whether run-outdevelopsafter. I don't know much about thebottom end so if anyone knows please post the answer. Ifthe runout is there from the beginning, we areback to sloppytolerances. When does it end? Could it be a contributing factor to the clat-t-t-ter?

I've always said this, when you have two identical bikes with same pieces parts,one clatters and one doesn't, it's a tolerance issue and the one that is clattering is out of spec. Just plain on elementary reasoning that MOCO hasn't figured out or is just unwilling to admit. Also, it's now being reported that the 08's have the same issue with the clatter noise, apparently MOCO hasn't learned that no one likes their clatter wagons.

[Russ LaRose]

Last year I put off buying a new Ultra because of the clatter and whine problems. I've had many Harleys in my youth in Milwaukee and now have a '93 Sportster and an '03 Goldwing, both bought new, and both fine bikes. ButI'm not getting any younger (now 74) and before I leave this planet I would still like to buy a new Harley. The dealers around here will not let one test ride a new '08 bike before buying so here is my question to those of you who have the clatter on your '07s. Is there any way to test for clatter by warming up the bike while sitting still and then reving it to some RPM range? This would put no miles on the odometer and would possibly be allowed by by the dealer to a serious buyer.

Russ in Palos verdes, CA

[Roadbandit]

No!!!!! Don't buy the thing untill they have been out for awile.
Bought my bike oct. last year and it had to be running and in fifth gear before i notice the clatter. Mine clattered from day one. ride it untile it is good and warmed up, and ride it between 45 and 55 in fifth gear. It's odd that they won't let you take it out and test drive it???

[2007 Black Ultra]

rmsurveyors

If we really want to get MOCO's attention regarding their 07 mistakes and warranty denial, here is what we do. The day or there about the 08's are released, we each send an email to the following address, showing our discontent with MOCO and their 07 bikes. If enough people hit this email with the same complaint against MOCO, I guarantee you willget a response on national TV about these 07 issues. Ifat firstwe get noanswer, keep sending the email till we do. It's called strength in numbers, I don't know if MOCOis really aware of the number of people they have riled over these 07's.But of all things,be politeandto thepoint with your email, also addthelink to this thread in your email, as well as any other links that may be relevant, I know there are several other threads on this site alone regarding the 07 issues. Strength in numbers with negative publicity about MOCO that's what it's going to take. So lets allpick a date/time and do it, if your tired of the big guy running over you that is.oreilly@foxnews.com

I sent my email to them and I've filed a complaint with the BBB. I feel that this is a safety issue and that something is going to come apart in the primary eventually. If that compensator or the shaft was to break and the primary chain got slung loose and jammed up the clutch basket it could lock up the rear wheel. Imagine having a rear wheel lock up at 70mph! May sound far fetched, but with that continual hammering away at that compensator, something is eventually going to give.

[rmsurveyors]

ORIGINAL: 2007 Black Ultra

rmsurveyors

If we really want to get MOCO's attention regarding their 07 mistakes and warranty denial, here is what we do. The day or there about the 08's are released, we each send an email to the following address, showing our discontent with MOCO and their 07 bikes. If enough people hit this email with the same complaint against MOCO, I guarantee you willget a response on national TV about these 07 issues. Ifat firstwe get noanswer, keep sending the email till we do. It's called strength in numbers, I don't know if MOCOis really aware of the number of people they have riled over these 07's.But of all things,be politeandto thepoint with your email, also addthelink to this thread in your email, as well as any other links that may be relevant, I know there are several other threads on this site alone regarding the 07 issues. Strength in numbers with negative publicity about MOCO that's what it's going to take. So lets allpick a date/time and do it, if your tired of the big guy running over you that is.oreilly@foxnews.com

I sent my email to them and I've filed a complaint with the BBB. I feel that this is a safety issue and that something is going to come apart in the primary eventually. If that compensator or the shaft was to break and the primary chain got slung loose and jammed up the clutch basket it could lock up the rear wheel. Imagine having a rear wheel lock up at 70mph! May sound far fetched, but with that continual hammering away at that compensator, something is eventually going to give.

Good deal, shows people are tired of being shafted by MOCO, and doing something about it, also shows character even when nothing gets resolved right away. Lets all get on the ball here, andshow MOCOwe're not cowering down, and are hot on their heels. Hear that MOCO, this is NOT gonna go away. The 08's may be here but you still have an obligation to fix the 07's, which you have yet to do, and will cost you dearly in sales.

[rmsurveyors]

ORIGINAL: Russ LaRose

Last year I put off buying a new Ultra because of the clatter and whine problems. I've had many Harley's in my youth in Milwaukee and now have a '93 Sportster and an '03 Goldwing, both bought new, and both fine bikes. ButI'm not getting any younger (now 74) and before I leave this planet I would still like to buy a new Harley. The dealers around here will not let one test ride a new '08 bike before buying so here is my question to those of you who have the clatter on your '07s. Is there any way to test for clatter by warming up the bike while sitting still and then reving it to some RPM range? This would put no miles on the odometer and would possibly be allowed by by the dealer to a serious buyer.

Russ in Palos verdes, CA

Don't buy anything from Harley. Take some hard earned advise from most of us here, and save yourself some grief, as well asfoolishly spent money. If you test road one of the 07 clatter wagons before buying, which most of us here were not given that option, you would not buy one, not with all that noise, and from what I hear the 08's aren't any better. Most of the dealers I know won't let you try before you buy, they may let you drive a demo, but that doesn't say anything for the one your looking to buy, and believe me, one may clatter and one may not. It's really become a crap shoot when buying from HD, that should tellyou something about QC, or should I say the lack of QC. Stands to reason that if MOCO had good QC, all these bikes would perform the same, not some clattering and some not, which MOCO calls normal. Also, there are plenty of bikes out there that look and sound like a Harley at half the price of these clatter wagons.

[zzmellio]

Who would ride this?

Ultrastar

I bet it would hold up better to.