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That article was an unsolicited testimonial received by AMSOIL
from a Harley rider. Everyone's opinions and statements in this
forum are valid and I thank you for them. I don't want to get
into a debate with anyone here but rather I would like to mention
a few things based on my experience. The reason Rotella can be
used and is recommended if a m/c oil is not available is because
it is a diesel oil and diesel oils do not have friction modifiers
as certain types of friction modifiers can be detrimental to the
function of wet clutch plates. That is the only reason why. That
does not mean it is the most optimum choice as a motorcycle
engine lubricant.
I do not recommend AMSOIL just because I am an AMSOIL Dealer. I
actually started using AMSOIL about 15 years before I became an
AMSOIL Dealer when I worked at Ford Motor Co. During my
engineering career at Ford Motor Co. I worked with engineers for
Roush Racing and I spent a lot of time with these engineers
running tests and in labs and dyno rooms. That is where I first
learned about AMSOIL and started using it when I saw that Roush,
with all the testing and evaluation resources they have, choose
to use AMSOIL over all other oils. To the best of my knowledge
they still use AMSOIL (as well as many other major race teams),
regardless of what sponsorship logos are advertised on the cars.
When I buy an expensive motorcycle or a $50,000+ diesel pick up
truck and other toys and equipment I want the best oil I can get
and am not going to try to save a few dollars on oil which is one
of the most critical components to an engine or drivetrain.
When you pay more money for AMSOIL you are actually getting more,
AMSOIL does not have the multiple layers of distribution that
burdens major oil companies and AMSOIL does not put their money
into major multi-million dollar ad campaigns on major TV
networks. When you order AMSOIL there are no middlemen, AMSOIL
ships directly to you and AMSOIL pays the Dealer that brought the
business a commission. With traditional distribution product
often goes from the manufacturer to national distribution
centers, then to regional distribution cetners and then to the
local jobber and then to the local store. This allows AMSOIL to
focus on putting more money and superior raw materials and
additives into their products.
Recently, while I was at AMSOIL there were presentations on new
products and lubrication technology and three representatives
were introduced from three worldwide corporations which are the
world's largest suppliers of raw materials used in blending and
manufacturing lubricants.
Each representative made an excellent technical presentation on
current/future products, market trends and engine/powertrain
technical and lubricant advancements and upcoming government
regulations regarding oil and emissions.
What I thought was the most interesting part of each person's
presentation was that each representative concluded their
presentation by commending AMSOIL for their high quality
standards. They went on to state that working with AMSOIL is a
pleasure because when AMSOIL comes to them with product
requirements, they always state "give us the absolute best you
have and we will talk price later" or "here's what we want to do,
what is it going to take to get there?" They went on to contrast
that with their dealings with some other unnamed companies that
ask: what it will cost to meet the minimum specifications?
Take a minute to think about that. AMSOIL engineers their
products to the absolute highest quality standards, bar none.
Their mission is to engineer and manufacturer the absolute best
synthetic lubricants and that people will pay for the best
quality. Many other companies come in with a set price they can
pay based on program management cost targets and get whatever
they can get for that price to meet minimum specifications and
maintain a profit objective.
That is typically how business is conducted at some companies in
order to meet program directives. Then, after the product is in
production for a period of time, purchasing agents will often try
and get further price reductions/concessions over the years as an
incentive to provide continued business. It is my opinion that at
some point, those additional price concessions can potentially
have an impact on quality because shortcuts and product and
material changes often must be made in order to maintain
profitability at the lower cost levels.
AMSOIL is a privately held corporation and they make decisions
based on standards of excellence to engineer the absolute highest
quality synthetic lubricants in the world.
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Dave Mann
Lubrication Specialist - Truck/Automotive Engineer
Society of Automotive Engineers Professional Member
AMSOIL Regency Platinum 6-Star Direct Jobber
Performance Oil Technology, L.L.C. www.performanceoiltechnology.com
1-888-879-1362
That article was an unsolicited testimonial received by AMSOIL
from a Harley rider. Everyone's opinions and statements in this
forum are valid and I thank you for them. I don't want to get
into a debate with anyone here but rather I would like to mention
a few things based on my experience. The reason Rotella can be
used and is recommended if a m/c oil is not available is because
it is a diesel oil and diesel oils do not have friction modifiers
as certain types of friction modifiers can be detrimental to the
function of wet clutch plates. That is the only reason why. That
does not mean it is the most optimum choice as a motorcycle
engine lubricant.
I do not recommend AMSOIL just because I am an AMSOIL Dealer. I
actually started using AMSOIL about 15 years before I became an
AMSOIL Dealer when I worked at Ford Motor Co. During my
engineering career at Ford Motor Co. I worked with engineers for
Roush Racing and I spent a lot of time with these engineers
running tests and in labs and dyno rooms. That is where I first
learned about AMSOIL and started using it when I saw that Roush,
with all the testing and evaluation resources they have, choose
to use AMSOIL over all other oils. To the best of my knowledge
they still use AMSOIL (as well as many other major race teams),
regardless of what sponsorship logos are advertised on the cars.
When I buy an expensive motorcycle or a $50,000+ diesel pick up
truck and other toys and equipment I want the best oil I can get
and am not going to try to save a few dollars on oil which is one
of the most critical components to an engine or drivetrain.
When you pay more money for AMSOIL you are actually getting more,
AMSOIL does not have the multiple layers of distribution that
burdens major oil companies and AMSOIL does not put their money
into major multi-million dollar ad campaigns on major TV
networks. When you order AMSOIL there are no middlemen, AMSOIL
ships directly to you and AMSOIL pays the Dealer that brought the
business a commission. With traditional distribution product
often goes from the manufacturer to national distribution
centers, then to regional distribution cetners and then to the
local jobber and then to the local store. This allows AMSOIL to
focus on putting more money and superior raw materials and
additives into their products.
Recently, while I was at AMSOIL there were presentations on new
products and lubrication technology and three representatives
were introduced from three worldwide corporations which are the
world's largest suppliers of raw materials used in blending and
manufacturing lubricants.
Each representative made an excellent technical presentation on
current/future products, market trends and engine/powertrain
technical and lubricant advancements and upcoming government
regulations regarding oil and emissions.
What I thought was the most interesting part of each person's
presentation was that each representative concluded their
presentation by commending AMSOIL for their high quality
standards. They went on to state that working with AMSOIL is a
pleasure because when AMSOIL comes to them with product
requirements, they always state "give us the absolute best you
have and we will talk price later" or "here's what we want to do,
what is it going to take to get there?" They went on to contrast
that with their dealings with some other unnamed companies that
ask: what it will cost to meet the minimum specifications?
Take a minute to think about that. AMSOIL engineers their
products to the absolute highest quality standards, bar none.
Their mission is to engineer and manufacturer the absolute best
synthetic lubricants and that people will pay for the best
quality. Many other companies come in with a set price they can
pay based on program management cost targets and get whatever
they can get for that price to meet minimum specifications and
maintain a profit objective.
That is typically how business is conducted at some companies in
order to meet program directives. Then, after the product is in
production for a period of time, purchasing agents will often try
and get further price reductions/concessions over the years as an
incentive to provide continued business. It is my opinion that at
some point, those additional price concessions can potentially
have an impact on quality because shortcuts and product and
material changes often must be made in order to maintain
profitability at the lower cost levels.
AMSOIL is a privately held corporation and they make decisions
based on standards of excellence to engineer the absolute highest
quality synthetic lubricants in the world.
Uh....Huh......*yawn*..........listen, I think Amsoil is a good oil. I have it in my bike right now. I WON'T be buying it again, as I have used Mobil One V-Twin in my bike since new, but thought I'd be fair, and give Amsoil a try. I noticed NO difference in temps, and my bike is noisier with the Amsoil. The MAIN reason I will not use Amsoil again is people (and they're EVERYWHERE) that are walking Amsoil commercials 24-7! I HATE that! It's harder to get, not ANY better than 1/2 dozen other oils out there, and gawwwwd, I 'm SICK of listening to the BS all the time with you guys!
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The older I get, the faster I was!
Last edited by hd4evr2008; 08-01-2009 at 09:12 PM.
Uh....Huh......*yawn*..........listen, I think Amsoil is a good oil. I have it in my bike right now. I WON'T be buying it again, as I have used Mobil One V-Twin in my bike since new, but thought I'd be fair, and give Amsoil a try. I noticed NO difference in temps, and my bike is noisier with the Amsoil. The MAIN reason I will not use Amsoil again is people (and they're EVERYWHERE) that are walking Amsoil commercials 24-7! I HATE that! It's harder to get, not ANY better than 1/2 dozen other oils out there, and gawwwwd, I 'm SICK of listening to the BS all the time with you guys!
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It's not worth it to argue with you, it sounds like you are jealous of AMSOIL's success. AMSOIL is thriving and growing when many other oil companies are loosing market share and sales and that is a direct result of the products proven performance and results that other motorcycle oils cannot even come close to. Try getting a hold of your local big oil comany rep, it's not going to happen as they have a a few field reps spread between large territories in different states. AMSOIL has a knowledgeable sales force of thousands of Dealers all over the country to assist customers 7 days a week, why that bothers you is puzzling. Not only that but AMSOIL has proven itself to millions of the most die-hard Harley riders at Sturgis, Daytona and other motorcycle events around the U.S. and Canada.
__________________
Dave Mann
Lubrication Specialist - Truck/Automotive Engineer
Society of Automotive Engineers Professional Member
AMSOIL Regency Platinum 6-Star Direct Jobber
Performance Oil Technology, L.L.C. www.performanceoiltechnology.com
1-888-879-1362
Lubrication Engineer...........please take your endless commercials and go away. The only reason you guys are "site sponsors" on all these forums is so you can use them for free advertising. Enough already!
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The older I get, the faster I was!
Sorry Guys...,. I like Amsoil ... all I use ... except in my primary.. ATF there.
__________________ TMax, D&D, Heavy Breather and just generally way too much stuff to list it all.
"Don't hit at all if you can help it; don't hit a man if you can possibly avoid it; but if you do hit him, put him to sleep." - Theodore Roosevelt
Well, you wonder why I always dress in black,
Why you never see bright colors on my back,
And why does my appearance seem to have a somber tone.
Well, there's a reason for the things that I have on.
It has nothing to do with whether you use it or like it.......it's the freakin ENDLESS commercials and hyping on here that just gets ANNOYING all the time.
Lubrication Engineer.......yea, I'm jealous..........LOL.............your company is no different than Amway for pete's sake.
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The older I get, the faster I was!
Lube eng, I've got to say that you, personally, may be one of the reasons so many are opposed to Amsoil. You're a salesman for Christ's sake, not a crusader! If someone doesn't want your product, why in the world would you argue with them? If you believe in your product, and apparently you do, you just shake your head, and QUIETLY go away wondering (again QUIETLY) why so and so is such a dumbass that he/she can't see the benefits of using your products. Take some advise: you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink! Quit the FU(#!#& fighting and bickering. That's what grates in my, and others, nerves!
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Some ride bar to bar. I ride peg to peg.
It's not worth it to argue with you, it sounds like you are jealous of AMSOIL's success. AMSOIL is thriving and growing when many other oil companies are loosing market share and sales and that is a direct result of the products proven performance and results that other motorcycle oils cannot even come close to.
That's nothing more than pure rubbish, but it is typical of the slanted, loaded, selective reports that spAmsoil continues to publish, which are then copied and pasted into forums by it's legions of "amway" sales people.
The day spAmsoil includes Redline in their White "toilet" Papers I"ll give spAmsoil a second look.
BTW, We are still awaiting the clarification of your "Engineer" title.
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Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.
TMax, D&D, Heavy Breather and just generally way too much stuff to list it all.
