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It definitely sounds like profiling to me. Why not stop all of the teenagers and check them for cell phone usage and/or stereo being too loud.
Are you crazy? No one can get hurt from texting and driving! However a guy riding his bike without proper registration is a threat to national security!
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It does help...Ok, I'll jump off the box now...next.
No worries...I did not take your position as bashing.
Personally, I would raise serious questions if I had been ordered to stop specific vehicles unless I had a legitimate reason to do so. Just to screw with someone is not reason enough. As a LEO, I could not have done my job without the help of the general public...harassing them is no way to get their help or support. That was our department's policy and we were (still are) a very highly respected State Police agency (read not Georgia).
With respect to profiling...the FBI teaches a course on the subject. While it might be a political issue, the use of profiling is a tried and true method. Seems kind of stupid to stop a single-rider bike when we are looking for a group of four in a van.
Unfortunately, many larger PD's are run by politicians and not cops. Not only does the department suffer, so does the community.
No worries...I did not take your position as bashing.
Personally, I would raise serious questions if I had been ordered to stop specific vehicles unless I had a legitimate reason to do so. Just to screw with someone is not reason enough. As a LEO, I could not have done my job without the help of the general public...harassing them is no way to get their help or support. That was our department's policy and we were (still are) a very highly respected State Police agency (read not Georgia).
With respect to profiling...the FBI teaches a course on the subject. While it might be a political issue, the use of profiling is a tried and true method. Seems kind of stupid to stop a single-rider bike when we are looking for a group of four in a van.
Unfortunately, many larger PD's are run by politicians and not cops. Not only does the department suffer, so does the community.
YES - question authority!!!
Agreed that in order to conduct investigation, or search for suspects an agency has to profile to an extent. Your right, if I'm looking for four suspects in a red mini van (and thats all I have to go on) then, no I'm not wasting time and resources by stopping cars, trucks, bikes, etc. I'm stopping red mini vans. But these motorcycle stops...it's not like a white male was seen putting 5lbs of C4 into the the saddlebag of his bike and heading north on highway 69. In this case, yes you must profile and stop every bike. These stops are not because officials are looking for a specific individual or clues related to a criminal investigation. If that were the case I would be happy to stop so that I am not considered the "bad guy". I had a local leo pull me over a few years back. Couldn't for the life of me figure out why I was being pulled over. I sat there a good 3 or 4 minutes before he came up to the car. As soon as he came up to the window he looked at me and said, "Sorry, wrong guy. Your car fit a description is all". It was no big deal, I understood. My car was profiled, not me. However I feel that with bike only road blocks it's the rider thats profiled based on what he is on. The biker riding down the road is no different from the black man walking down the street in St. Louis. Just because we may visually "fit the bill" of a certain activity does not give anyone the right to single us ALL out at any given time for the sake of "public safety".
If you are being detained for what's seems to be an unreasonable period of time tell the officers to either read you your rights and place you under arrest, or let you head on down the road.
In fact, many bikers carry a few "Statement of Constitutional Rights' cards for use during situations in which they feel they are being detained for no valid reason;
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So, I don't get it. What was the purpose of the checkpoint? I can see a DUI check point. We have those pretty regular in my state, especially on holidays and weekends when drinking and driving are more likely to happen. But, what are they doing, simply verifying license and registration? Isn't that illegal? Don't LEO have to have justifiable cause? I think this argument was made in regard DUI checkpoints, but the ruling was that the benefit outweighed the harm. But, to just check license and registration? That is an abuse and a good example of the slippery slope opponents of the DUI checkpoints were afraid of.
i've been watching the news lately and seems alot of the criminals they have been looking for are driving a Honda Accord.
I wonder when they will start doing Honda Accord check points. its BS
I was stopped at a drivers license check point once and got a ticket for window tint, seems more like a revenue thing to me.
i've been watching the news lately and seems alot of the criminals they have been looking for are driving a Honda Accord.
If local law enforcement can convince local courts that's the case, it will become relatively easy for cops to stop just about any Honda Accord. Much of this boils down to what the courts will accept.
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Originally Posted by Big Blue Glide
I was stopped at a drivers license check point once and got a ticket for window tint, seems more like a revenue thing to me.
Operating a motor vehicle upon a public way requires the operator meet certain legal requirements. Motorcyclists are unique because they are required to have an additional endorsement. Law enforcement (in most areas) have convinced courts that a large number of those motorcyclists do not have the proper endorsement. This makes a "motorcycle only" checkpoint easy to justify in the eyes of the court.
And while the check point might be called a "license" or "safety" point, LEO's can, through the normal course of these checks, investigate any other possible violations of the law.
So when asked at one of those check points..."got anything in those saddlebags I should know about?" I might suggest keeping comments like..."just a bunch of weed, man" to yourself. You just gave most LEO's PC to detain you and search your bike.
Ironically, as a former LEO I'm glad to see you guys voicing your concerns and problems with certain stops and treatment by many departments. I only ask that you also try to understand the often overlooked motivation of many good officers at there.
If local law enforcement can convince local courts that's the case, it will become relatively easy for cops to stop just about any Honda Accord. Much of this boils down to what the courts will accept.
Operating a motor vehicle upon a public way requires the operator meet certain legal requirements. Motorcyclists are unique because they are required to have an additional endorsement. Law enforcement (in most areas) have convinced courts that a large number of those motorcyclists do not have the proper endorsement. This makes a "motorcycle only" checkpoint easy to justify in the eyes of the court.
And while the check point might be called a "license" or "safety" point, LEO's can, through the normal course of these checks, investigate any other possible violations of the law.
So when asked at one of those check points..."got anything in those saddlebags I should know about?" I might suggest keeping comments like..."just a bunch of weed, man" to yourself. You just gave most LEO's PC to detain you and search your bike.
Ironically, as a former LEO I'm glad to see you guys voicing your concerns and problems with certain stops and treatment by many departments. I only ask that you also try to understand the often overlooked motivation of many good officers at there.
which is why yes sir, no sir answers are the best for road side stops. hand them your papers answer what questions you have to that pertain to the reason for stoping with a polite yes or no and be on your way.
the officer doesnt need to know abotu the 2 lbs of premium bud in your saddle bag so when he asks if there is anything he should know about in your bags , "no" is the correct response
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