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Tuning help please 2010 FLHR
Ive installed a se a/c with 'zippers upgrade', does anyone know how much i need to increace my VE by, im using the se pro race tuner and ive also got jackpot carbon firber mufflers on with factory pipes with the cc removed(fulsac mod), ive fitted the race tuner and installed the se a/c and race exhuast map, stock engine
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__________________ 2010 FLHR Black, Jackpot Carbon Fiber mufflers, SE a/c zippers upgrade,SE Pro SuperTuner,Fullsac headpipe mod, black heat shields,blacked out blinkers and taillight, low wide and fat bars
The only way to adjust your ve's with that tuner is to put it on a dyno, do some runs monitoring your afr's at all 13 throttle positions and then adjusting your ve's. Takes 3-4 hrs.
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its the se pro race tuner with smart tune, i was really wanting a baseline for the zippers upgrade filter as i think its running really lean using the se filter map settings, so if anyone has a simler setup could you copy and paste your ve table please
__________________ 2010 FLHR Black, Jackpot Carbon Fiber mufflers, SE a/c zippers upgrade,SE Pro SuperTuner,Fullsac headpipe mod, black heat shields,blacked out blinkers and taillight, low wide and fat bars
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cause ive only just installed it,i havnt been able to log data, its been raining for three weeks lol, you need loged and recorded data before you can use smart tune, iv a se map loaded already but im using a bigger filter and want a baseline figure to increase my ve tables by because at the moment its running lean, ie getting hot and losing power on the hills(theres lots here) i know its lean because it runs fine on the enrichment cycle when cold
__________________ 2010 FLHR Black, Jackpot Carbon Fiber mufflers, SE a/c zippers upgrade,SE Pro SuperTuner,Fullsac headpipe mod, black heat shields,blacked out blinkers and taillight, low wide and fat bars
All of the following can be found in the Tuning Users Manual.... You did read it and understand it, right???? Not trying to bust ballz, but the losing power, getting hot, Warmup enrichment.... It's more than what you percieve it to be....
Symptoms of a Rich or Lean AFR
The tuner should be familiar with the symptoms of an overly rich or overly lean AFR. The symptoms are the signal to us that we have not achieved maximum performance – that we need to adjust the EFI.
Lean running symptoms
• Bike hesitates when throttle is increased
• Bike runs jerky or surges at steady throttle openings
• Engine detonates, (knocks) when accelerating
• Engine spits back or coughs through intake system
• Bike runs poorly when cold – engine runs better as it warms up to operating temperature
• Spark plug color is white
• Fuel consumption is abnormally low
Rich running symptoms
• Engine blubbers when throttle is increased
• Bike emits black exhaust smoke, (a little black exhaust smoke is normal when accelerating
hard or operating engine when cold)
• Engine blubbers at steady throttle
• Engine fouls spark plugs
• Bike runs well when cold – engine runs worse as it warms up to operating temperature
• Spark plug color is black
• Fuel consumption is abnormally high
If you increase the displacement by 10 inches, that will fatten up the AFR by approximately 1 AFR Point....
Volumetric Efficiency (VE) Front and Rear Cylinders – The VE Tables tell the ECM the air
flow efficiency of each cylinder in percent. This table charts VE percent vs. throttle position (TPS) and engine RPM. These tables can be adjusted independently, or in tandem.
o Increases raise the VE, implying there is more air entering the cylinder.
o Decreases lower the VE, implying there is less air entering the cylinder.
Lambda based calibrations have VE tables based on MAP and engine RPM.
TIP: If the VE table values are set at 125 or higher (max value of 127.5), you may want to change the engine displacement to allow the VE table adjustments to compensate for the increased air flow of the engine. Remember, if any engine parameters are changed, new recordings must be made before using the Smart tune function.
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Originally Posted by Shovelhead Bob
All of the following can be found in the Tuning Users Manual.... You did read it and understand it, right???? Not trying to bust ballz, but the losing power, getting hot, Warmup enrichment.... It's more than what you percieve it to be....
Symptoms of a Rich or Lean AFR
The tuner should be familiar with the symptoms of an overly rich or overly lean AFR. The symptoms are the signal to us that we have not achieved maximum performance – that we need to adjust the EFI.
Lean running symptoms
• Bike hesitates when throttle is increased
• Bike runs jerky or surges at steady throttle openings
• Engine detonates, (knocks) when accelerating
• Engine spits back or coughs through intake system
• Bike runs poorly when cold – engine runs better as it warms up to operating temperature
• Spark plug color is white
• Fuel consumption is abnormally low
Rich running symptoms
• Engine blubbers when throttle is increased
• Bike emits black exhaust smoke, (a little black exhaust smoke is normal when accelerating
hard or operating engine when cold)
• Engine blubbers at steady throttle
• Engine fouls spark plugs
• Bike runs well when cold – engine runs worse as it warms up to operating temperature
• Spark plug color is black
• Fuel consumption is abnormally high
If you increase the displacement by 10 inches, that will fatten up the AFR by approximately 1 AFR Point....
Volumetric Efficiency (VE) Front and Rear Cylinders – The VE Tables tell the ECM the air
flow efficiency of each cylinder in percent. This table charts VE percent vs. throttle position (TPS) and engine RPM. These tables can be adjusted independently, or in tandem.
o Increases raise the VE, implying there is more air entering the cylinder.
o Decreases lower the VE, implying there is less air entering the cylinder.
Lambda based calibrations have VE tables based on MAP and engine RPM.
TIP: If the VE table values are set at 125 or higher (max value of 127.5), you may want to change the engine displacement to allow the VE table adjustments to compensate for the increased air flow of the engine. Remember, if any engine parameters are changed, new recordings must be made before using the Smart tune function.
yeah i got all that bob, i was after a start point is all, but anyway ive transported her to a city (Largetown) that has a bike shop with a dyno, might as well get it done right first time lol, thanks for the imput
__________________ 2010 FLHR Black, Jackpot Carbon Fiber mufflers, SE a/c zippers upgrade,SE Pro SuperTuner,Fullsac headpipe mod, black heat shields,blacked out blinkers and taillight, low wide and fat bars
Tuning help please 2010 FLHR
2010 FLHR Black, Jackpot Carbon Fiber mufflers, SE a/c zippers upgrade,SE Pro SuperTuner,Fullsac headpipe mod, black heat shields,blacked out blinkers and taillight, low wide and fat bars
